Immigration bill offers a military path to US dream ("instant legal status")

I forgot to add, Do you get it?

81 posted on 06/19/2007 9:14:28 PM PDT by BBell

"Oh great! Now let’s give them guns and training."

This is too dangerous to contemplate.

82 posted on 06/19/2007 9:21:06 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)

Hi P-Marlowe,

I’m not particularly opposed to this provision. Foreigners who are willing to give their lives for this country should be granted citizenship at the end of their service.

I'm with you on this one- Especially for those serving in a combat zone.

If they're willing to die for it, well that's more than enough rubber hitting the road for me.

-Bruce

83 posted on 06/19/2007 9:29:36 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Build the fence. Enforce the law.)

To: Centurion2000

"If they're willing to serve."

We are talking about people who jump the border, break our laws and don't have any respect for the U.S.. Is that who you would trust with your life?

84 posted on 06/19/2007 9:29:50 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)

"If they're willing to die for it, well that's more than enough rubber hitting the road for me."

The point of this thread is we are talking about illegal aliens. The people who march in protests carrying the mexican flag. They steal identies and screw peoples lives up. Do you think they will pick up a weapon and defend this country? Many of them would take up a weapon and come after us if they thought they could get away with it.

85 posted on 06/19/2007 9:38:51 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)

To: blackbart.223

Hi Blackbart.223,

I think I'll take exception to that.

The people you are speaking of are opportunists by nature, and are looking for a free ride. They are hardly the type to commit themselves to the US Military hierarchical system, not to mention combat. It doesn't seem to be a system that is easily pumped.

I might add that there is a reason that the military life spawns 80%+ conservative patriots. There is hardly a better form of indoctrination/assimilation (if you would) than the US Military.

Speaking for a moment about combat in particular, if a man rises through that to the level of "brother in arms" having fulfilled his sacred oath of service, I dare say that by that time he'd be one to ride the river with, and would have proved himself as such by extraordinary means. How could he be denied?

Please bear in mind that I am adamantly opposed to Illegal Immigration and the whole idea of amnesty. It is "something-for-nothing".

But one who would give himself in service, and especially so in combat, must strive to complete a most arduous task in order to gain his citizenship. It isn't something-for-nothing, It has a cost. Surely there is a profound difference in that.

-Bruce

86 posted on 06/19/2007 11:02:33 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Build the fence. Enforce the law.)

To: blackbart.223

We are talking about people who jump the border, break our laws and don't have any respect for the U.S.. Is that who you would trust with your life?

You'd be amazed what levels of stupidity the DI's can beat out of your psyche while you are in boot camp.

And no I don't trust the military with my life anymore. I can trust them to stop an invasion, properly used.

87 posted on 06/20/2007 7:11:49 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)

"Please bear in mind that I am adamantly opposed to Illegal Immigration and the whole idea of amnesty. It is "something-for-nothing"."

My point was people who break our laws and have more regard for Mexico than the U.S. will never take up arms to defend this country. Border jumpers are here to see how much they can exploit at our expense.

Hell man. They wave the Mexican flag at rallys.

88 posted on 06/20/2007 7:48:15 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)

What do you have against legal Hispanics. Are you a racist or do you not like any immigrants.

90 posted on 06/21/2007 11:36:50 AM PDT by BBell

Here is a list of the 12 “fence-sitter” Senate contacts for EVERYONE to email regarding immigration. Many offices are putting calls straight to voicemail and they can just trash faxes (and letters take weeks to get through due to security). Hit Hill staff where they are so codependent - their Blackberries! Send email directly to staff - not just the generic Senate office mailbox. Contact their Chief of Staff, Legislative Director, and Press Secretary. Make your voice heard!!

For the Democrats, I would strongly suggest taking a pro-union/anti-illegal alien stance (i.e. “they are taking our jobs”) rather than using the conservative national security angle.

Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Chief of Staff
stephen_ward@bingaman.senate.gov

Legislative Director
trudy_vincent@bingaman.senate.gov

Counsel
sunalei_stewart@bingaman.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
jude_mccartin@bingaman.senate.gov

Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Chief of Staff
laura_schiller@boxer.senate.gov

Legislative Director
polly_trottenberg@boxer.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
natalie_ravitz@boxer.senate.gov

Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Chief of Staff
bob_van_heuvelen@conrad.senate.gov

Legislative Director
tom_mahr@conrad.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
chris_thorne@conrad.senate.gov
sean_neary@conrad.senate.gov

Senator Carl Levin (D-MI)
Chief of Staff
david_lyles@levin.senate.gov

Legislative Director
rich_arenberg@levin.senate.gov