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British law threatening U.S. freedom of speech
worldnetdaily ^ | June 16, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 06/17/2007 12:12:07 PM PDT by farmer18th

The author of a U.S.-published book that accused a former Saudi banking executive of funding terrorism is battling a precedent that experts say could give any foreign libel law priority over U.S. free press and speech guarantees.

The case involving Rachel Ehrenfeld is one of the "most important First Amendment cases of the past 25 years.."

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; firstamendement; saudis
It may be appropriate to note that the last time Britain forced us to hold trials for Americans in Britain, we rioted in the streets...
1 posted on 06/17/2007 12:12:12 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
In 2003, she documented and wrote, "Funding Evil: How Terrorism is Financed and How to Stop It," that alleged Saudi Arabian billionaire Khalid Salim A. Bin Mahfouz helped in that pipeline of financing.

I also say that Saudi billionaire Khalid Salim A. BIn Mahfousz finances terrorism, like most other Saudi billionaires.

Come and get me, Coppers.

2 posted on 06/17/2007 12:27:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (http://www.imwithfred.com/)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m with you. “Saudi Billionair Khalid Saim A. bin Mahfouz funds terrorism.” Any American law enforcement officer who would enforce penalties against an Amerian for speaking the truth doesn’t deserve the badge—or the pension. Hot pot. Warm Tar. Goose Feathers.


3 posted on 06/17/2007 12:29:56 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th

We are citizens of the world. Their laws are our laws.

Get used to it.


4 posted on 06/17/2007 12:47:10 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: farmer18th

As I’m reading it, it sounds like she was sued in English court for a book sold in England.

It’s a sad day for England but unless the U.S. is talking about extraditing her or enforces the verdict, which would be a horrible precedent, I’m not sure she has a leg to stand on. She just needs to stay out of the E.U.

There is a new cliche here. When in Rome don’t slander the Saudis or you end up you have to pay $120,000. No, that’s not very catchy at all.


5 posted on 06/17/2007 12:48:52 PM PDT by ndt
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To: farmer18th

Sorry. You just violated the whim of some corrupt Saudi sharia judge, who now declares that you shall die for connecting his country to terrorism. Because said judge claims universal jurisdiction for his court and legal code, you must be extradited to serve said penalty.

The fact of the matter is that we really need to watch what we say in this country because judges acting as petty tyrants in other countries—including our enemies—do not respect the certain inalienable rights of our citizens on our soil but still claim jurisdiction over them.


6 posted on 06/17/2007 12:51:32 PM PDT by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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To: ndt

I had a good friend who served in Riyadh. He actually witnessed a Mullah squad spray painting the ankles of a woman who failed to cover them. My argument is that we shouldn’t be brought into any court with animals as the co-combatants. It’s an oxymoron for a Muslim to ask for justice. They worship injustice.


7 posted on 06/17/2007 12:52:17 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: SittinYonder
We are citizens of the world. Their laws are our laws.

My gun is my law.

8 posted on 06/17/2007 12:56:39 PM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: farmer18th
It may be appropriate to note that the last time Britain forced us to hold trials for Americans in Britain, we rioted in the streets...

It's the Muslim response. And noöne is forcing you to hold the trials. The trials are in British courts under British law,

a precedent that experts say could give any foreign libel law priority over U.S. free press and speech guarantees.
It's my understanding that US law has priority within US borders, or the 12 mile limit.

Rachel stays out of the United Kingdom and its Dependent Territories, she's in the clear. (as far as this ruling goes.)

The focal point is where should such claims be handled, in a nation like England where several books were purchased online, or in the United States, where the book was written, and where Mahfouz has had business activities because he served Ehrenfeld with documents in New York.
Easy. An action for libel mey be brought in any juristriction that the libel is viewed by the public.
9 posted on 06/17/2007 12:56:57 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Is there any situation Whirled Nut Dally doesn't find alarming?)
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To: farmer18th
"I had a good friend who served in Riyadh. He actually witnessed a Mullah squad spray painting the ankles of a woman who failed to cover them."

I have not read her book, but I would not be the least bit surprised if it was spot on.

However, expecting another nation to abide by our laws (first amendment etc) is exactly the kind of global legal system that the article claims to be arguing against. Either I'm reading to backwards or they are arguing for what they claim to be arguing against.
10 posted on 06/17/2007 1:02:18 PM PDT by ndt
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To: lowbridge
My gun is my law.

LOL ... they'll be after that, too.

11 posted on 06/17/2007 1:04:19 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Oztrich Boy

You fail to distinguish between the proper and improper use of force. John Adams called the tea party a “sublime” act of opposition to tyranny. Are you calling him Muslim?


12 posted on 06/17/2007 1:04:35 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: Oztrich Boy

I suppose it is a little quixotic on my part to hope that the nation whose story includes Magna Carta would have the spine to protect freedom of expression, but...


13 posted on 06/17/2007 1:06:13 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th

Notice, it’s not Russia threatening freedom of speech!


14 posted on 06/17/2007 1:32:00 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: farmer18th
I suppose it is a little quixotic on my part to hope that the nation whose story includes Magna Carta would have the spine to protect freedom of expression, but...

The freedom of expression argument is always good, but Whriled Nut Dally is jusy silly

The focal point is where should such claims be handled, in a nation like England where several books were purchased online, or in the United States, where the book was written,
I know the US legal system is infested by nutballs who throw hissy fits when their pants vanish, but I doubt that, in the Dark Ages before we had the internet to supply our porn, any US legal authorities would support the view that charges of possession or sale of pornography in the US would have to be made in a Danish court, under Danish Law.
15 posted on 06/17/2007 1:49:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: farmer18th

‘I suppose it is a little quixotic on my part to hope that the nation whose story includes Magna Carta would have the spine to protect freedom of expression, but...’

So without knowing any of the details of the case, you can confidently state that the author and her ACLU supporters are right and the Judge was wrong and made his judgement because he can’t stand freedom of speech?

The author took the money for the books sold in the UK, but did not feel the need to defend herself when sued for libel? Very strange if she is clearly so right. Why not just defend yourself and then decide where to spend all of your huge damages award?


16 posted on 06/17/2007 2:51:26 PM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp

There’s nothing strange at all about not wanting to go up against a Saudi billionaire in English courts, even if you did benefit from their sale. When English (and European) pundits are beginning to talk about the necessity of allowing internal Sharia, it makes a lot of sense not to trust the English system. I’m not sure I would want to have a first hand encounter with a court system laboring under the weight of a country whose most popular baby name this year is “mohammed.” No thanks.


17 posted on 06/17/2007 3:07:15 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: Oztrich Boy

I don’t argue against mixed metaphors.


18 posted on 06/17/2007 3:08:47 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th

btt


19 posted on 06/17/2007 3:32:37 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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