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What he said.
1 posted on 06/17/2007 5:16:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Actually, I’m starting to feel like some of the Iranian people who have no power to get past the mullahs(congressmen) and are living in a country where the wishes of a majority of citizens are being ignored.


2 posted on 06/17/2007 5:19:24 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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“A country that cannot control its borders does not deserve the respect of those who cross those borders illegally.”

Not to worry. They have no repect for us, and they want US to flee!!!!


3 posted on 06/17/2007 5:20:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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Follow the money.

I’m going to throw this out for discussion. I’ve heard a number of times that some of the illegals somehow get (or give) phony Social Security Numbers to their employers.

Not going into where they get these numbers, I’m interested in what goes on when fake or phony SSNs are used.

How does it work?

Does the employer, in good faith, withhold the payroll taxes and send the taxes on to the Government? That would mean that the illegals are paying into Social Security, but will never draw on it. But more seriously, that would mean that our Federal government has volumes of data on payroll taxes being collected — for which no person is filing returns. That must be a very large sum of money. And it would be a simple thing to determine where these people work and do the deportations required.

Another possibility. Perhaps the employers KNOW which persons ARE illegal and that they don’t have REAL SS numbers. So the employers can simply pocket the payroll taxes, rather than send it on to the Government. This would mean that many employers are keeping double books, the real books, and the phony books, showing they are collecting taxes.

My point is: there is a lot of money to be gained or to be lost by this so-called immigration reform. I’m beginning to think that this is as big a corruption issue as Prohibition.........

If we only had a Executive Branch which would enforce our Federal laws — even at the level of reconciling the withholding taxes — we could make some progress in cleaning up this “money laundering scheme” — but alas we don’t.


6 posted on 06/17/2007 5:22:06 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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Farber pre-dates Rush Limbaugh. Is he still on the air?

If nothing else, it’s great to see him in print. Bring Back Barry?


7 posted on 06/17/2007 5:22:17 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

I Like Ike.

The immigration giveaway

Take the Pledge: "I pledge to never, ever vote for anyone, for any office, who votes in favor of the Mexican Invasion Surrender Bill."

The penalty for being politically tone-deaf is death of one's political career. Amnesty for illegal immigrants--which means any path to any sort of permanent legal residency of any kind (let alone citizenship,) regardless of cost--is worse than the "third rail of politics." It's the Guillotine.

8 posted on 06/17/2007 5:22:22 PM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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Outstanding! Gotta love Barry Farber. He nailed it big time.

Thanks for posting the entire article.

10 posted on 06/17/2007 5:28:43 PM PDT by upchuck (IMPORTANT! -> Immigration: What the Deal-Makers don't want you to know -> http://tinyurl.com/2pwp6o)
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Barry Farber is a SMART guy !!!


14 posted on 06/17/2007 5:38:53 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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“”It’s not amnesty.” “We need these illegals.” “They’re the same as our immigrant grandparents.” “They buy goods and pay taxes and enrich our national life.” “Americans won’t do that kind of work.” “We simply can’t deport 12 million.” “Quit being a selfish, racist, mean-spirited xenophobic pig.” “And, dammit, quit saying that. I told you, It’s not amnesty”

Lies, all!


15 posted on 06/17/2007 5:40:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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This is really sets the right target. Time to clean out the illegals and keep them out and save America once and for all.


18 posted on 06/17/2007 5:48:35 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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Our "representatives" have long forgotten the job that they were elected to do - represent their people.

Not the businesses that want cheap labor, not the interest groups that want to see this country become more like their home country, and not our enemies that like to see our border as porous as possible.

They're supposed to be representing us.

It is now our duty to make our beliefs and desires clear. It is also our duty to run those elites that fail us out of elected office along with the political parties that supported them.

21 posted on 06/17/2007 6:45:39 PM PDT by USMCVet
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"I won't belong to any organization that would have me as a member".-- Groucho Marx

The recipe for American prosperity is no secret; democracy, rule of law, the Bill of Rights, the market economy, and the eternal struggle to elect the worthy and reject the corrupt. All that's easy to translate into Spanish.

Any country wherein breaking the law puts you in good graces with the government is not a government you should want to be a constituent of.

Yes, your government is worth spit. We have our government problems too.  Go back and fix yours and we'll carryon fixing ours.

A country that cannot control its borders does not deserve the respect of those who cross those borders illegally.

Yes.

In the past there were differences between Democrats and Republicans. There may someday be differences between them again. But for right now, on this immigration matter, our two parties are just "Margie" and "Harvey."

Political man busies himself in the differences across the political aisle. The focus is on differences when in reality, the differences are trivial compared to the similarities. They're parasites leeching off value producers and value creators -- men and women that respect inalienable rights and expect the same in return.

The "natives" are getting restless and soon, it's afraid, that they'll be demanding respect for their inalienable rights.

Hoodwinked, political man continues to vote for the lesser of evils despite knowing that evil always begets evil. Real man knows they're both bad and uses that reality against them. If you're on the right the left is bad. If your on the left the right is bad. To God Believers Allah and his followers are bad. To Allah believers God and his followers are bad. To unbelievers they're all bad.

But that's just politics and religion. Because...

Because what remains is science, business/free competition and art. What would be the state of man without science and business? What would the state of man be without politics and religion?

Man needs to be left alone to develop his and her own character. Trading with whomever agrees to trade and associating with whomever agrees to associate. Always the freedom to not associate or trade. 

No person has the right to obligate another person so as to force them to associate or trade with any person, business or organization. No person has the right to obligate another person so as to force them to not associate or not trade with any person, business or organization. For example, While Sue can't deny John from shopping at Mary's bookstore nor force him to shop there, Jane can do either and or both.

"If one person has a right to something he didn’t produce, simultaneously and of necessity it means that some other person does not have right to something he did produce." -- Walter Williams

If one person has a right to obligate another person, simultaneously and of necessity it means the other person doesn't have a right to their own life. No man-made law can change that. 

Despite Hillary Clinton. It doesn't take a village. Nor do you need things "take[n]... away from you on behalf of the common good." Sacrificing the individual, in whole or in part for the alleged greater good of the group always diminishes the group. Obviously it diminishes the person being sacrificed. For, without the individual there can be no group. 

Set on a path of self-destruction, under the weight of its irrationality comes its inevitable collapse. Simultaneous, the rise...

22 posted on 06/17/2007 6:50:32 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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Actually, Bush talked a lot about EXPORTING DEMOCRACY.

When you think about it, if that engenders economic and political freedom, it creates a motivation for people to stay in their own countries and fix their own systems.

What Bush does though is such a blatant contradiction of that. He coddles these oligarchies and corrupt countries, and then throws the floodgates for their masses to all flood into OUR country, bringing the worst in those societies into our own society.

24 posted on 06/17/2007 6:59:18 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Your "Bush-Cheney 2004" Bumper Sticker May Well Portray You As a Supporter of Amnesty for Illegals)
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ping for later


25 posted on 06/17/2007 7:11:37 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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This is not over yet. Bush refuses to give up this easily. It's his stubborn character. As I predicted he would try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up. We have no choice but to fight. The oligarchy wants cheap labor and a destruction of the middle class and the millionaire democrats want votes they can count on. A marriage made in HELL.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

26 posted on 06/17/2007 7:39:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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BINGO!

GREAT POST!

Thanks!


28 posted on 06/17/2007 7:47:55 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (UNASHAMEDLY AMERICAN MADE and an AMERICA LOVER!)
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The recipe for American prosperity is no secret; democracy, rule of law, the Bill of Rights, the market economy, and the eternal struggle to elect the worthy and reject the corrupt. All that's easy to translate into Spanish.

He's got it - let's export the good stuff - our ideas.

34 posted on 06/17/2007 9:38:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (Open border Lobbies push for amnesty when borders leak like sieves? Why?(hint:12 million new dems))
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I have to take issue with just one little portion of this article.

“The American government tried to pull a coup against its people. It failed.”

I wish I didn’t think he was being amazingly over-optomistic. Dirty Harry hid this bill for precisely this reason - to let people think the danger was over. It bothers me that so many people have fallen for it. I think the media reported it the way they did specifically to help stealth this bill into law. The bill was never “killed”, Reid hid it until we were too busy patting ourselves on the back to crank up the rallying cry again.

The danger is still very real, and if we convince ourselves that, as the author says “they failed,” then we might just give them the chance they need to sneak this travesty into law.


35 posted on 06/17/2007 9:58:50 PM PDT by COgamer
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bttt


40 posted on 06/18/2007 5:46:05 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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