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No Citizenship for Illegals
The Holland Sentinel ^ | June 18, 2007 | Alan Helvig

Posted on 06/18/2007 4:33:53 AM PDT by BigAlPro

The preamble of our Constitution says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Upon assuming his office, our president raised his right hand and made the following promise to the citizens of America: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Likewise, every one of our U.S. senators took a similar oath upon assuming office: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Legislating a path to citizenship for illegal aliens represents a violation of these oaths. Giving them citizenship will negatively impact the future of government in America. If these one-time fugitives become citizens, they will have not only the right to vote, but the power to run for and hold political office.

They will be eligible to serve in law enforcement, serve as judges and even work with classified material. They will be allowed to work with children in schools and day-care facilities. In spite of their criminal background, they will have the same rights as every other naturalized citizen in this country.

Well, Mr. President, exactly which clause of the Constitution are you preserving, protecting and defending by offering citizenship to illegal aliens? And how about you senators? Do you expect us to believe that providing citizenship to millions of international trespassers is in keeping with true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, which you swore to support and defend? Where is justice in your "comprehensive immigration reform act"? Do you honestly believe you are promoting the general welfare by circumventing our immigration laws and offering citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants? We think not.

In order to establish justice, we must enforce all existing immigration laws. To insure domestic tranquility, we must stop illegal immigration and control the flow of all immigrants. To provide for the common defense, we must secure our borders and strengthen our border patrol. To promote the general welfare, we must require proof of legal residency for all public services, including emergency health care and especially public education.

Now is not the time for new immigration legislation. In fact, there should never be a time for offering citizenship to illegal aliens. Granting citizenship to illegals is a slap in the face of every law-abiding American, especially those who have gone through the arduous process of naturalization.

Now is the time for "we the people" to hold our elected officials to their word. Now is the time for us to remind our president and our legislators that they are in our government and they work for us. Now is the time for us to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, even if those enemies are in Washington.

Now is the time for "we the people" to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves by standing firm in our sovereignty, as one nation, under God.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; constitution; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; noamnestyforillegals; oathofoffice; preamble
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1 posted on 06/18/2007 4:33:56 AM PDT by BigAlPro
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To: BigAlPro
Well, Mr. President, exactly which clause of the Constitution are you preserving, protecting and defending by offering citizenship to illegal aliens?

NONE. That is what is so amazing about this. Why is he still out of jail? What would happen to me if I violated several major federal laws in front of many different media and the press?

My butt would be in the pen.

I guess George is “special” you know, above the law.

2 posted on 06/18/2007 4:42:43 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI
I guess George is “special” you know, above the law.

That's why he doesn't see anything wrong with ILLEGAL immigration........

3 posted on 06/18/2007 4:52:14 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: TLI
I guess George is “special” you know, above the law.

You laid this all on Bush. What about the House members that voted for this piece of dung that they created. What about the Senate members that continued the voting and adding their dung. What about all the support by various Mayors and local officials that support sanctuary. This goes on and on. Millions of Americans have just lost their minds.

4 posted on 06/18/2007 4:57:11 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: rockabyebaby

It’s US vs. “Our Political Betters”.
I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Lock and load, boys and girls—and sharpen bayonets while you’re at it.


5 posted on 06/18/2007 4:59:59 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: BigAlPro

bttt


7 posted on 06/18/2007 5:42:31 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: BigAlPro

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


8 posted on 06/18/2007 5:44:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: BigAlPro
Round 'em up, and incarcerate them until deportation arrangements can be made. Put a bounty on turning in illegals (much more cost-effective than the trillions amnesty will cost the taxpayers, overall), and the reward may be claimed by ANY American citizen who turns in an illegal.

The U.S. Constitution provides "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.", so these illegals HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY, and could be incarcerated until deported to stop the invasion of our Country.

Likewise, NO PUBLIC BENEFITS should be afforded invaders, and a child born in the USA to foreign parents (non-US-Citizens) should NOT automatically be declared a U.S. Citizen, which is the mis-interpretation of the Constitution that was intended for those in this country LEGALLY, not ILLEGALLY.

The tortured reading of the word "person" vs. "citizen" has been wrongfully used to justify the cheap labor that businesses (aka, deep pocket political donors) to keep the flow of illegals moving along in their interest. This will address the anchor-baby issue, and without free medical care, these invaders are rightfully not included in the benefit packages that CITIZENS are paying for, including free educations for non-citizens, too.

In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard wrote, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Senator Howard wrote the addition phrase specifically because he wanted to make it clear that the simple accident of birth in the US is not sufficient to justify citizenship.

The 14th Amendment was enacted to cover SLAVES after the Civil War. Clearly, the misinterpretation by the courts over the years has been used to provide BUSINESS with cheap labor, and existing laws were ignored and un-enforced in regards to illegal aliens.

The US Supreme Court recognized this when they ruled in 1873 that the phrase (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof) excluded "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." Since the court recognized that the children of foreign citizens and diplomats should not be granted US citizenship, why should anyone think that the children of those that enter the US illegally are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government? The simple answer is no thinking person would. The anchor baby parents are neither US citizens, subject to US jurisdiction, nor do they owe any allegiance to the US. Federal immigration laws require aliens to renounce all allegiance to any foreign government and to support the US Constitution to become citizens. The parents of anchor babies never fulfilled this obligation and were never "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US.

Both the author of the 14th Amendment and the US Supreme Court recognized that an alien mother and her baby are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country - not the US. The 14th Amendment wasn't created to provide an end run for aliens to defy US immigration laws. But politicians have subverted the Constitution and allowed citizenship to any child born in the US. This misinterpretation is not accidental - it is intentional.

9 posted on 06/18/2007 5:54:10 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: BigAlPro

Build the fence! Until it’s finished post snipers in watchtowers and enforce the soverignty of the border.


10 posted on 06/18/2007 5:54:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Flintlock
It’s US vs. “Our Political Betters”. I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. Lock and load, boys and girls—and sharpen bayonets while you’re at it.

Civil war does seem to be a possibility.

11 posted on 06/18/2007 6:01:41 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: BigAlPro
..and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

-Abraham Lincoln

12 posted on 06/18/2007 6:07:19 AM PDT by One_American
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To: BigAlPro; truthkeeper; spectre; AuntB; SE Mom

Good and timely post.


13 posted on 06/18/2007 6:10:51 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Logical me

“You laid this all on Bush. “

Chief law enforcement officer of the United States: President Bush


14 posted on 06/18/2007 6:12:12 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Logical me

“You laid this all on Bush. “

Chief law enforcement officer of the United States: President Bush


15 posted on 06/18/2007 6:12:13 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Travis McGee

These photos speak louder than words! Somehow, we have to stop this — but how when the government is so determined to go against the will of the people, common sense and the Constitution?


16 posted on 06/18/2007 6:15:09 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: captjanaway

In the next election, we need to run patriots in the primaries against all of the OBL traitors, both ‘rats and rinos.


17 posted on 06/18/2007 6:18:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Logical me
"You laid this all on Bush"

Duhh..Who is up there leading the way just begging the Senate and House for this Bill to pass? Can you say BUSH?

It's the President's Bill..Have you not been listening to him?

sw

18 posted on 06/18/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Logical me
You laid this all on Bush.

You’re dang right I did.

He is the President and sets the tone and path for the rest of the nation. His calling the Minuteman Project “vigilantes,” his constant ignoring the will of an overwhelming majority of American Citizens and calling for an amnesty for 30 million criminals has encouraged the illegals and those that support such an anti-American stance.

He is not the “Decider” He has become the “Enabler.”

Had he done the right thing and instituted enforcement of the existing laws six years ago this bu11$hit would not be occurring now.

19 posted on 06/18/2007 6:46:09 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: BigAlPro
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20 posted on 06/18/2007 6:50:56 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: BigAlPro

“I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and REVISE the Constitution of the United States.”


21 posted on 06/18/2007 6:52:20 AM PDT by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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22 posted on 06/18/2007 9:07:07 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Travis McGee

Balkanized America here we come!


23 posted on 06/18/2007 2:14:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: RavenATB
Chief law enforcement officer of the United States: President Bush

Go back and read my post. When you attack Bush as the sole support you are very naive.

24 posted on 06/18/2007 4:26:56 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: spectre
Duhh..Who is up there leading the way just begging the Senate and House for this Bill to pass? Can you say BUSH? It's the President's Bill..Have you not been listening to him?

Are you unable to read my post? No one person, President or not, is totally responsible. See if you can think a little deeper.

25 posted on 06/18/2007 4:31:01 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: TLI
Had he done the right thing and instituted enforcement of the existing laws six years ago this bu11$hit would not be occurring now.

How many years ago?

26 posted on 06/18/2007 4:32:56 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me
All that would be irrelevant is President Bush vetoed the bill. No way the Congress could pull the super-majority it would need to pass this bill over the President’s veto.
In fact there is no way Congress would TRY to pass this if they didn’t know President Bush would sign it.
27 posted on 06/18/2007 4:38:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Inquisitive1
Not going to happen. There isn’t enough anger - yet.
28 posted on 06/18/2007 4:39:28 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: TLI
If you are driving the bus, where the bus goes is your responsibility.
29 posted on 06/18/2007 4:40:48 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: TLI

President Bush should be impeached, convicted and removed from office over this.


30 posted on 06/18/2007 4:43:10 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (When's MY turn? What crimes may I commit and recieve amnesty for?)
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To: Logical me
"See if you can think a little deeper"

How knee deep can you get in BS before you see the truth?

President Bush has committed himself to be the plight of the poor illegal Hispanics since his days of Gov. back in Texas.

He pledged to resurrect his derailed immigration bill in the Senate _ "I'll see you at the bill signing," he declared.

He's in our face..

sw

31 posted on 06/18/2007 5:14:48 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife(..._ _ _ ...)
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To: BigAlPro

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


32 posted on 06/18/2007 5:40:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Little Ray
In fact there is no way Congress would TRY to pass this if they didn’t know President Bush would sign it.

Well, you are now getting close. Did the House write this bill? Did the Senate add to this bill? How can you pass the responsibility on Bush, when there are so many hands that wrote the bill. Regardless how Bush will sign or veto, the bill had its sponsors and they are more responsible than Bush at this time. Got it. Bush is not totally responsible for this mess. By the way, have you forgotten Bush vetoed it the first time around.

33 posted on 06/18/2007 8:23:54 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: spectre
How knee deep can you get in BS before you see the truth?

Maybe you should try to think a little past your BS and you might discover the real truth. This immigration fiasco has been with us for at least three Presidencies. Bush did not write the current bill. It was written in the House and further messed up by the Senate. Do you suppose that the authors and those that voted for it are not responsible. You seem to make it the total responsibility of Bush. Wrong! Better think a little deeper. What Bush did in Texas has not a darn thing to do with current events.

34 posted on 06/18/2007 8:33:42 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks to the OBL traitors.


35 posted on 06/18/2007 10:25:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah : )

I won’t forget to thank the traitors.....in my own way.


36 posted on 06/18/2007 10:31:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Travis McGee

In the next election, we need to run patriots in the primaries against all of the OBL traitors, both ‘rats and rinos.

In the next election, it’s going to be too late.


37 posted on 06/18/2007 10:35:22 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Logical me
You laid this all on Bush. What about the House members that voted for this piece of dung that they created.

They're all riding in the same limo. Glad to see others catching on.

38 posted on 06/18/2007 10:36:01 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Logical me; RavenATB

Chief law enforcement officer of the United States: President Bush

Go back and read my post. When you attack Bush as the sole support you are very naive.”

Bush should be ordering the arrest of all the traitors.


39 posted on 06/18/2007 10:37:41 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

It may be too late. But the process will not end there, it will simply move to a new phase, with new Balkan-style rules.


40 posted on 06/18/2007 10:37:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

They can’t all move to Paraguay.


41 posted on 06/18/2007 10:40:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Logical me
No one person, President or not, is totally responsible.

We don't even know where the buck stops anymore.

42 posted on 06/18/2007 10:42:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

We don’t even know where the buck stops anymore.”

I believe it stops in carpetbagger’s pockets.


43 posted on 06/18/2007 10:44:59 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Logical me
"Millions of Americans have just lost their minds."

Nope. Just a select few. Never forget that.

44 posted on 06/18/2007 10:46:39 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: philetus

That’s it, it’s the carpetbaggers fault!


45 posted on 06/18/2007 10:47:59 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Travis McGee

Wha’d they buy down there, 80,000 acres?


46 posted on 06/18/2007 10:49:52 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
"We don't even know where the buck stops anymore."

But we do know where it started.

47 posted on 06/18/2007 10:50:51 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Logical me

Those of us that live near the border and are in the know blame Bush for the huge increase in illegal entries primarily in the last three years since he has encouraged them to come here with his talk of amnesty. A leader who wanted to stop the invasion would have stood up and told them not to come there would be no amnesty and no jobs. HE PROMOTED AND ENCOURAGED THEIR ILLEGAL ENTRY. The number of illegals entering in the last three years is unprecedented. In years past most illegals were men who came alone and returned home once a year usually at Christmas, but since talk of amnesty they brought their wives and promptly had anchor babies, overburdening our system.


48 posted on 06/18/2007 10:52:09 PM PDT by rolling_stone (same)
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To: blackbart.223
Uh, I was being sarcastic. But nowadays, everything is so twisted out of shape....Everyone pointing fingers at each other, the POTUS calling Americans bigots, vigilantes and lazy...LOL!

The buck is suppose to stop at the POTUS desk, but it doesn't even slow down by this guys desk.

49 posted on 06/18/2007 10:54:45 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Travis McGee

: )


50 posted on 06/18/2007 10:59:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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