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What Really Happens In A Gunfight?
Guns and Ammo Handguns ^
| 6/18/2007
| Dave Spaulding
Posted on 06/18/2007 11:11:20 AM PDT by Dutchgirl
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A long (3 page article) but anyone with a CCW must read.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:11:25 AM PDT
by
Dutchgirl
To: Dutchgirl
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".
Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it. Just a suggestion.
Let Freedom Ring,
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:13:45 AM PDT
by
Joe Brower
(Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
To: Dutchgirl
bump for later accessing. The corporate firewall won't let that through.
The key IS preparation.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:14:53 AM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: Dutchgirl
I remember hearing about a case in New York City. Four cops barged into a 12x14 bedroom and suprised a guy who picked up a gun and opened fire. Between the perp and the cops, twenty five shots were fired by the five people in the 12x14 bedroom, and nobody got hit.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:14:56 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Good article.
Ultimately, it all boils down to the simple fact that in a life-and-death situation, people do not tend to rise to the occasion, but instead sink to their lowest level of training.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:17:34 AM PDT
by
Joe Brower
(Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
To: Dutchgirl
"While talking with the people that I have interviewed, I could not help but notice that the people who performed the best (and could also remember the best) were the ones who were able to keep control of him or her self. Many remember getting control of their breathing and using this to fuel their inner drive. Those who could get control and overcome the startle response were able to handle the situation. Many of these folks reported that they were not surprised, but were angered by the audacity of the person trying to attack them. It appears that those who became angered were able to channel the chemicals flowing into their system into fight instead of flight or freeze. Many advised that they had taken the time to think about what they would do in the event they were attacked and had even played out scenarios in their head. It is clear that this role-playing or visualization prepared them to take action with little lag time. For years this has been called if/then thinking. For my students, I tell the to think of it as when/then thinking." Train hard and get mad!
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:17:47 AM PDT
by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
To: Dutchgirl
Thanks for posting this, even if you’ve read similiar articles and trained for such an event, a review is always a good thing.
Very few things are as serious as this. Treat it accordingly.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:19:51 AM PDT
by
Badeye
(In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED. ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
To: gridlock
LOL, unbelievable. They should all be shot for being such lousy shots.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:19:57 AM PDT
by
lesser_satan
(FRED THOMPSON '08)
To: 2banana
To: gridlock
and nobody got hit.But I'll bet that there a very strong and unpleasant odor in there.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:21:19 AM PDT
by
fella
( newspapers used habitually to poison the public opinion)
To: fella
But I'll bet that there a very strong and unpleasant odor in there.Gunpowder? Oh, never mind........
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:23:34 AM PDT
by
umgud
("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
To: Dutchgirl
George Bemis . . . wore in his belt an old original “Allen” revolver, such as irreverent people called a “pepper-box.”
Simply drawing the trigger back, cocked and fired the pistol.
As the trigger came back, the hammer would begin to rise and the barrel to turn over, and presently down would drop the hammer, and away would speed the ball.
To aim along the turning barrel and hit the thing aimed at was a feat which was probably never done with an “Allen” in the world.
But George’s was a reliable weapon, nevertheless, because, as one of the stage-drivers afterward said, “If she didn’t get what she went after, she would fetch something else.”
And so she did.
She went after a deuce of spades nailed against a tree, once, and fetched a mule standing about thirty yards to the left of it.
Bemis did not want the mule; but the owner came out with a double-barreled shotgun and persuaded him to buy it, anyhow.
It was a cheerful weapon—the “Allen.” Sometimes all its six barrels would go off at once, and then there was no safe place in all the region round about, but behind it.
- Roughing It MARK TWAIN
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:27:30 AM PDT
by
HuntsvilleTxVeteran
(Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
To: Dutchgirl
Good article.
Practice, practice, practice!
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:28:41 AM PDT
by
siunevada
(If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
To: Dutchgirl
There is one more component to this mix.
Please don’t ask me to remember where I found this, it was several years ago while I was plundering a trove of stuff from a military surplus store. I read in some War College military thinking piece that in WWI, WWII and Korea, the “hit” factor was way low. In other words, 100 soldiers firing at human targets only produced some 15 to 20% hits.
It was noted they trained on paper targets.
In Vietnam, the “hit” factor improved dramatically. I forget the percentage.
It was noted that the military switched to human profile targets.
Their conclusion was that most humans have a natural aversion to actually shooting another person, and that by using human outlines, they were able to desensitize the troops considerably.
I always thought that it was an interesting observation, and one that should probably be considered in any kind of crisis training.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:30:45 AM PDT
by
Al Gator
(Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
To: gridlock
was this before or after the change in gun sights
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:31:17 AM PDT
by
Dutchgirl
(800-882-2005, 1 then 1 to get direct to your Sr. Senator, 2, then 1 to get your Jr. Senator!))
To: Dutchgirl
bump for later. thanks for the post.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:32:34 AM PDT
by
the crow
(I'm from the government. I'm here to help.)
To: Dutchgirl
Sounds to me like the “modern technique” was lacking in that encounter.
To: Tijeras_Slim
“Sounds to me like the modern technique was lacking in that encounter.”
I rolled on the floor too. The FBI stats are chocked full of this kind of stuff.
Odd things do happen when the pucker factor red lines in nano seconds.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT
by
Al Gator
(Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
To: Al Gator
I read in some War College military thinking piece that in WWI, WWII and Korea, the hit factor was way low. In other words, 100 soldiers firing at human targets only produced some 15 to 20% hits. This sounds a lot like research done by Dave Grossman for his book On Killing.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:37:14 AM PDT
by
TChris
(The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
To: Dutchgirl
Sometimes the confrontation is in bad or no light. Try shooting in darkness. There might be some surprises if you have never done this.
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posted on
06/18/2007 11:37:16 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Treaty)
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