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Geese get revenge: pate may cause rare disease
stuff.co.nz ^ | 6/19/07

Posted on 06/19/2007 7:06:03 AM PDT by Renfield

Geese force-fed and then slaughtered for their livers may get their final revenge on people who favour the delicacy known as foie gras: It may transmit a little-known disease known as amyloidosis, researchers reported.

Tests on mice suggest the liver, popular in French cuisine which uses it to make pate de foie gras and other dishes, may cause the condition in animals that have a genetic susceptibility to such diseases, Alan Solomon of the University of Tennessee and colleagues reported.

That would suggest that amyloidosis can be transmitted via food in a way akin to brain diseases such as creutzfeldt-jakob disease, or CJD, which can cause a rare version of mad cow disease in some people who eat affected meat products or brains.

Amyloidosis can affect various organ systems in the body, which accumulate damaging deposits of abnormal proteins known as amyloid. The heart, kidneys, nervous system and gastrointestinal tract are most often affected but amyloidosis can also cause a blood condition.

The researchers used mice genetically engineered to be susceptible to amyloidosis, which can be inherited.

"When such mice were injected with or fed amyloid extracted from foie gras, the animals developed extensive systemic pathological deposits," Solomon's team reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Sometimes Alzheimer's disease, the most common form of dementia, is described as a type of amyloidosis as well.

Symptoms are often vague and range from fatigue and weight loss to swelling and kidney damage.

Like CJD, mad cow disease, scrapie and related diseases, amyloidosis is marked by abnormal protein fragments. In the case of CJD, the proteins are called prions.

"On this basis, we posit that this and perhaps other forms of amyloidosis may be transmissible, akin to the infectious nature of prion-related illnesses," the researchers added.

"In addition to foie gras, meat derived from sheep and seemingly healthy cattle may represent other dietary sources of this material."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: amyloidosis; geese; pate

1 posted on 06/19/2007 7:06:09 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

The French are doomed!


2 posted on 06/19/2007 7:07:19 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Renfield

>> meat derived from sheep

How do you “derive” meat from a sheep? Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?


3 posted on 06/19/2007 7:08:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Nervous Tick
How do you “derive” meat from a sheep? Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?

Apparently, there is an industrial process that the ovicultural industry has kept secret for 6000 years.....

4 posted on 06/19/2007 7:15:24 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Nervous Tick
How do you “derive” meat from a sheep? Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?

That's a common misconception. Before you can get mutton or lamb out of a sheep, you must first process it through a sheep extruder.

5 posted on 06/19/2007 7:15:44 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Renfield
"...used mice genetically engineered to be susceptible to amyloidosis..." Could one of the biology experts out there explain something:
If you genetically engineer a mouse to be susceptible to a disease, aren't you increasing the chance of anything causing the disease?
6 posted on 06/19/2007 7:17:53 AM PDT by sticker
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To: Renfield
Good thing we've got that insurance:


7 posted on 06/19/2007 7:17:57 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I thought it was a magical process just like transfiguring cows into beef and pigs into pork.


8 posted on 06/19/2007 7:18:04 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I shot the Sheriff, but I did not shoot the debutante.)
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To: Renfield
I once saw a cartoon, featuring two test animals in adjacent cages. The caption read,

These humans feed us nothing but laundry soap for six months, and are surprised when we get sick!
9 posted on 06/19/2007 7:18:29 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: Alter Kaker; Nervous Tick; Renfield

Also, lamb meat from the first pressing of the sheep extruder, known as “extra virgin” is generally of the highest quality. Extra virgin lamb meat is also known as the “chops,” with lamb “chops” typically fetching a premium price at the market.


10 posted on 06/19/2007 7:19:07 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: AU72

The French are doomed!

Maybe, but PETA is thrilled!


11 posted on 06/19/2007 7:19:56 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Renfield
I hope it's just duck livers that are the problem. Ah heck who am I kidding, I'm not giving up scrapple at this point anyway.


12 posted on 06/19/2007 7:20:05 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Renfield

Sometimes these things can come back to haunt you!

13 posted on 06/19/2007 7:24:36 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I never imagined! It must take a big ram to push that sheep through the extruder.

Hey... ewe wouldn’t be pulling the wool over my eyes, would you?


14 posted on 06/19/2007 7:27:15 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: sticker
You aren't supposed to notice.
If you do notice, you aren't supposed to say anything.

How do you expect "science" to progress if you keep bringing up obstacles?

15 posted on 06/19/2007 7:29:36 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, itís my opinion. No, itís not humble.)
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To: Renfield
The researchers used mice genetically engineered to be susceptible to amyloidosis, which can be inherited

So, they had to fabricate the results...

16 posted on 06/19/2007 8:02:34 AM PDT by chaos_5 (1-800-882-2005 Amnesty Hot-line!)
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To: Renfield

I wonder what fractional equivalent of the test subjects’ body weight they were fed, and where I can sign up to be a subject!


17 posted on 06/19/2007 8:27:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Nervous Tick
>> meat derived from sheep >>........... How do you “derive” meat from a sheep?

Don't ask. It's much more horrible than "deriving" meat from a steer.


18 posted on 06/19/2007 8:42:12 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Nervous Tick
Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?

Yes. And if we weren't supposed to eat them, animals wouldn't be made of meat...

19 posted on 06/19/2007 8:44:30 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Nervous Tick
*ouch*
20 posted on 06/19/2007 8:45:50 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Hey... ewe wouldn’t be pulling the wool over my eyes, would you?

I couldn't get anything bah ewe if I tried.

21 posted on 06/19/2007 8:54:04 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Nervous Tick
How do you “derive” meat from a sheep? Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?

Not exactly. Soemtimes people are sheep.

22 posted on 06/19/2007 10:03:22 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Nervous Tick
How do you “derive” meat from a sheep? Aren’t they already MADE out of meat?

Not exactly. Sometimes people are sheep.

23 posted on 06/19/2007 10:03:37 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: LIConFem
“The researchers used mice genetically engineered to be susceptible to amyloidosis, which can be inherited.”

Instead of creating mice who are susceptible to the amyloids why didn't they start with mice already susceptible and try to decrease or erase that susceptibility? Sometimes I think scientists work backwards which makes me question their real agenda.

That said I am NOT a scientist; I don’t play one on TV and I didn’t spend last night at a Holiday Inn Express.

24 posted on 06/19/2007 2:36:29 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Renfield

A friend of mine, a bioscience genius, described prions as “infectious shapes”. Non-living molecules that make copies of themselves. Uh oh, this could turn into an evolution thread and I’ll get flamed by the ID supporters!


25 posted on 06/19/2007 2:52:35 PM PDT by darth
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