Skip to comments.We'd have more power in EU if Germans hadn't 'reduced our population' in WWII, says Polish PM
Posted on 06/21/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by RWR8189
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NO - you are wrong again.
The statistics are at 51% and this is after three consecutive election in 2 months!
The Right is in firm control in Poland.
Too bad for the Socialists.
You can make assertions like that until the cows come home but you cannot prove it!
global warming is the not the fattest political pig ever chased through the village but for sure the loudest.
Everybody and his dog wants to stick some agenda to it while it passes.
- Merkel wants to use it for her restart auf nuclear power programms in germany.
- France wants to enlarge their market share of cheap and small cars.
- Every party seeks to grab in our pocket to ‘safe our lifes’.
- China should be throtteling it’s soaring economy that drives the prices of raw materials.
- Solar pannels - expensive as hell - should be sold.
- Energy dependence should be lowered (not only bad agendas on that piggy)
- Efficient German Diesel Cars have to be sold.
Poor piggy - so much burden on such a skinny bone.
In fact, EU support is on the decline everywhere in Europe.
Your wishful but unrealistic thinking reminds one of certain German dreamers of the past
Germany is making a fatal error again..and again...and again.
and to bad for poland - beeing conservative is not enough you have to be successful.
I see that.
So why do you want to be in it ?
“and to bad for poland - beeing conservative is not enough you have to be successful.”
As long as you use the name Rummenigge: success for the Germans and that “Miracle of Bern”; though they probably are not worst than some of the other World Cup winners; with the Hand of God; Mussolini and all that, still; concerning 1954:
“It’s just a shame that it now seems that those 11 miracle-workers and German Heroes may have cheated to do it.” - http://www.planetworldcup.com/GUESTS/matt20040610.html
And in 1982; Schumacher punched out that French player who may have been on his way to a goal; though Coach Klinsmann’s team and the one from 2002 were good, one can’t help but contemplate diving by the Germans in 1990; not to be outdone by Diego’s antics in ‘86.
I only mention these things, because it does depend on how one defines “success”, honesty and the great financial aid realized by West Germany after the war also plays a part.
I was not aiming onto the astonishing economic performances poland showed to be capable of but I was referring to the negotiation skills of these expert diplomates who wanted to start WWII again for same square root regulation that wouldn’t have brought them any use because they couldn’t convince stone to follow gravity.
“I only mention these things, because it does depend on how one defines success, honesty and the great financial aid realized by West Germany after the war also plays a part.”
Not only a part but a base for the opportunity we used in such a way that it really makes me proud.
Poland does the same with my tax money. Cool. We will hopefully benefit from that as the US reaped what they saw in germany.
Still it strikes me that US conservatives bring the talk to the marshall plan - it’s just what they would never have done - dropping cash onto their enemies.
My guess is that almost every German over the age of 15 wishes he had the Deutschmark back.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the twins never wanted Poland to be out of the EU?
They may be stupid, but they aren’t that stupid. Poland is at the moment the biggest beneficiary of EU money.
They have no problem taking the money and making demands after demands, what they still need to learn is, that there are not just benefits but also responsibilities.
Most germans - according to studies from 2004 - apprechiate the euro - and quite right so.
It’s a small but valuable stronghold against the agressive money printers in the US.
(That’s why it creaps slowly out of the cellar as a reserve currency - though it’s still underrepresented as such)
Let’s hope we can hold it after the dollar crash that is immanent.
no - but they want everybody else to leave.
I bet that is right...I know other Euros who feel the same way about their own currency.
The EU is a recipe for failure for Europeans.
No. The responsibility is the West’s. They abandoned Poland and all of Central Europe to the Soviet wolves
The West has a sordid record of abandoning their European brethren in the past.
Here is another example:
Balkans to the Ottoman enlavement for 400 years.
Germans have additional responsibility to SHUT UP! given their terror in WWI and WWII
Got that?...and welcome to FR
You see, that is exactly the problem: the past is used as means to make Germany shut up.
I agree that Germany (and other western European countries) have a special responsibility concerning Poland and I think there were quite some occasions where Germany put in its weight to support Poland (I even read a quote from a Polish newspaper calling Germany “Poland’s lawyer”).
I know and understand the consequences of our WW II past, however, what you should begin to understand is that modern Germans, although knowing their responsibilities, don’t like to be blackmailed by that past. Our Nazi history was a “Totschlagargument” (an argument to make Germans shut up in every discussion) for a long time. However, it is no more.We are aware of what our people has done to Europe and the world, and we won’t forget it, I assure you. But the mood in Germany has changed in recent years, and we won’t step back all the time when someone brings up our terrible history, for the simple reason that we are living in a new world and a new post- cold war - Europe.
We shouldn’t forget our past, but neither should the past dominate our future.
So, yes, I “got that”, but I don’t agree. As one of the biggest and most important countries in Western Europe, Germany has the right to argue for its interests, just like Poland has the right to fight for its interests. Germany has to take responsibility for its past crimes, and is by no means a perfect country, but if you expect us to cower in shame whenever your president brings up our past to push us in acting against our own interests, you will be disappointed.
Was Germany acting in its own interests when it decided to go along with Clinton and Blair’s bombing of civilians in Serbia? If anything Germans should have yelled “HALT!” given the genocide in WWII
You know that incident alone is the death knell for any kind of lasting EU.
Actually, the German politicians back then argued that the bombings were to stop a genocide. I don’t know much about the topic, but I know that the whole area was a mess back then.
If the bombings helped to stop the war or not....dunno.
The only genocide was the one perpetrated against the Serbs..again.
The bombing was aimed at women and children—innocent civilians. Who was the disgusting leader then? I think it was Schroeder...another Clinton buddy.
As I said, Germany should do what is right for Germany but not bomb others who disagree with them.
If they do, then Poland should declare war on Germany and take out just a little over half of their current population.
Sounds fair, eh?
that seems to be the attitude of the polish prime...
it’s hard to see a country like poland fall under the influence of such a sicko.