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We'd have more power in EU if Germans hadn't 'reduced our population' in WWII, says Polish PM
Evening Standard ^ | June 21, 2007

Posted on 06/21/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by RWR8189

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To: eleni121

My guess is that almost every German over the age of 15 wishes he had the Deutschmark back.


261 posted on 06/25/2007 9:55:10 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHOa)
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To: eleni121

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the twins never wanted Poland to be out of the EU?

They may be stupid, but they aren’t that stupid. Poland is at the moment the biggest beneficiary of EU money.
They have no problem taking the money and making demands after demands, what they still need to learn is, that there are not just benefits but also responsibilities.


262 posted on 06/25/2007 9:59:22 AM PDT by Cerb
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To: RobbyS

not me.

Most germans - according to studies from 2004 - apprechiate the euro - and quite right so.

It’s a small but valuable stronghold against the agressive money printers in the US.

(That’s why it creaps slowly out of the cellar as a reserve currency - though it’s still underrepresented as such)

Let’s hope we can hold it after the dollar crash that is immanent.


263 posted on 06/25/2007 10:12:26 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Cerb

no - but they want everybody else to leave.


264 posted on 06/25/2007 10:13:15 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: RobbyS

I bet that is right...I know other Euros who feel the same way about their own currency.

The EU is a recipe for failure for Europeans.


265 posted on 06/25/2007 10:24:05 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Cerb

No. The responsibility is the West’s. They abandoned Poland and all of Central Europe to the Soviet wolves

The West has a sordid record of abandoning their European brethren in the past.

Here is another example:

Balkans to the Ottoman enlavement for 400 years.

Germans have additional responsibility to SHUT UP! given their terror in WWI and WWII

Got that?...and welcome to FR


266 posted on 06/25/2007 11:07:46 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

You see, that is exactly the problem: the past is used as means to make Germany shut up.

I agree that Germany (and other western European countries) have a special responsibility concerning Poland and I think there were quite some occasions where Germany put in its weight to support Poland (I even read a quote from a Polish newspaper calling Germany “Poland’s lawyer”).

I know and understand the consequences of our WW II past, however, what you should begin to understand is that modern Germans, although knowing their responsibilities, don’t like to be blackmailed by that past. Our Nazi history was a “Totschlagargument” (an argument to make Germans shut up in every discussion) for a long time. However, it is no more.We are aware of what our people has done to Europe and the world, and we won’t forget it, I assure you. But the mood in Germany has changed in recent years, and we won’t step back all the time when someone brings up our terrible history, for the simple reason that we are living in a new world and a new post- cold war - Europe.

We shouldn’t forget our past, but neither should the past dominate our future.

So, yes, I “got that”, but I don’t agree. As one of the biggest and most important countries in Western Europe, Germany has the right to argue for its interests, just like Poland has the right to fight for its interests. Germany has to take responsibility for its past crimes, and is by no means a perfect country, but if you expect us to cower in shame whenever your president brings up our past to push us in acting against our own interests, you will be disappointed.


267 posted on 06/25/2007 12:13:39 PM PDT by Cerb
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To: Cerb
Nobody stops you from taking care of your own interests, but somehow in the pell mell haste to re create another European experiment in empire certain powers decided to bomb and coerce other smaller nations.

Was Germany acting in its own interests when it decided to go along with Clinton and Blair’s bombing of civilians in Serbia? If anything Germans should have yelled “HALT!” given the genocide in WWII

You know that incident alone is the death knell for any kind of lasting EU.

268 posted on 06/25/2007 1:10:15 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

Actually, the German politicians back then argued that the bombings were to stop a genocide. I don’t know much about the topic, but I know that the whole area was a mess back then.
If the bombings helped to stop the war or not....dunno.


269 posted on 06/25/2007 1:42:25 PM PDT by Cerb
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To: Cerb

The only genocide was the one perpetrated against the Serbs..again.

The bombing was aimed at women and children—innocent civilians. Who was the disgusting leader then? I think it was Schroeder...another Clinton buddy.

As I said, Germany should do what is right for Germany but not bomb others who disagree with them.


270 posted on 06/25/2007 3:47:29 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: wideawake

If they do, then Poland should declare war on Germany and take out just a little over half of their current population.
Sounds fair, eh?


271 posted on 06/25/2007 3:51:22 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: mabelkitty

that seems to be the attitude of the polish prime...

it’s hard to see a country like poland fall under the influence of such a sicko.


272 posted on 06/28/2007 7:22:36 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: dfwgator
Thank you for presenting the duel invaders of Poland, Nazi Germany and communist Russia. The Russians continued the terror in Poland during the post war years.


273 posted on 06/28/2007 8:43:07 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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