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To: vladimir998
"The Serbs have racists too.

There isn't a country on the face of the earth that doesn't have at least a few racists.

"And, of course, Serbia has a Nazi past too."

How many countries in Europe didn't have "a Nazi past"? Search long enough, I am sure that you could find some English who were Nazis, too and call it "England's Nazi past".

"It's Nazi past was even so bold as to compare Hitler to St. Sava: Bishop Nikolaj Velimirovic"

Yes, there was a group called the Ljoticevi who were Serb pro-fascists, however prior to the war they never even won a single election anywhere in Serbia. They did not represent the Serb people at all as evidenced by the Serbs turning their back on the deal with Germans that Prince Paul made. As a result, the Germans launched Operation Punishment.

Read Bishop Velemirovic, “The Agony of the Church" (1917), which was actually compiled from a series of lectures given to Christians at St. Margaret's, Westminster. It was primarily on the subject of Christianity & government. There was an important quote from this book:

"He who is numbering every day our hair, and feeding the sparrows, and clothing the grass in the field. He is a greater warrant for our patriotic justice than any of our exaggerated calculations and sentiment about our country and our nation. Alas, no European nation has right to blame the Jews because of their persecution of Christianity in the name of their Patriotism. There exists no country in Europe which has not at some time in the name of a false Patriotism either directly persecuted or abased the Church, or at least subordinated her to the cause of the country or put her in the service of its local and temporal cause.

The WWII Patriarch of the Serbian Orhtodox Church, Gavrilo and Bishop Nicholai, were both thrown into Dachau until the end of the war and tortured badly.

"Words to the Serbian People through the Dungeon Window” (referring to Dachau) which is were virtually all of Bishop Nicholai's detractors quote from, wasn’t even published under Bishop Velimirovic's name, but rather by a relative 30 years after his death. It was supposedly written from “scraps of paper brought back from Dachau" -- which makes little sense, yet no one has seen fit to question that source.

You must excuse me, m first husband was Jewish, so I guess I am a poor example of your suppsedly" anti-Semitic Serb"!

56 posted on 06/23/2007 8:19:15 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

You wrote:

“There isn’t a country on the face of the earth that doesn’t have at least a few racists.”

I would agree.

“How many countries in Europe didn’t have “a Nazi past”? Search long enough, I am sure that you could find some English who were Nazis, too and call it “England’s Nazi past”.”

I wouldn’t have to search. I was just reading about English SS men last night, in fact.

“Yes, there was a group called the Ljoticevi who were Serb pro-fascists, however prior to the war they never even won a single election anywhere in Serbia. They did not represent the Serb people at all as evidenced by the Serbs turning their back on the deal with Germans that Prince Paul made. As a result, the Germans launched Operation Punishment.”

I don’t think those who murdered Serbs in WWII necessarily represented the Croats either - no matter what their office or title.

“Read Bishop Velemirovic, “The Agony of the Church” (1917), which was actually compiled from a series of lectures given to Christians at St. Margaret’s, Westminster. It was primarily on the subject of Christianity & government. There was an important quote from this book:”He who is numbering every day our hair, and feeding the sparrows, and clothing the grass in the field. He is a greater warrant for our patriotic justice than any of our exaggerated calculations and sentiment about our country and our nation. Alas, no European nation has right to blame the Jews because of their persecution of Christianity in the name of their Patriotism. There exists no country in Europe which has not at some time in the name of a false Patriotism either directly persecuted or abased the Church, or at least subordinated her to the cause of the country or put her in the service of its local and temporal cause.”

I would agree. Stepinac did many things to save Jews. He also saved Serbs. Many Serbs also saved Jews.

“The WWII Patriarch of the Serbian Orhtodox Church, Gavrilo and Bishop Nicholai, were both thrown into Dachau until the end of the war and tortured badly.”

So were more than 2,500 Catholic cardinals, bishops, priests and monks. The Orthodox, after the liberation, used the Catholic chapel to say their first Divine Liturgy.

“”Words to the Serbian People through the Dungeon Window” (referring to Dachau) which is were virtually all of Bishop Nicholai’s detractors quote from, wasn’t even published under Bishop Velimirovic’s name, but rather by a relative 30 years after his death. It was supposedly written from “scraps of paper brought back from Dachau” — which makes little sense, yet no one has seen fit to question that source.”

I don’t believe I quoted this source.

“You must excuse me, m first husband was Jewish, so I guess I am a poor example of your suppsedly” anti-Semitic Serb”!”

Where did I say anything about anti-semitic Serbs in this thread?


58 posted on 06/23/2007 8:35:07 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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