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Pro-Darwin Biology Professor...Supports Teaching Intelligent Design
Discovery Institute ^ | June 22, 2007

Posted on 06/23/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Pro-Darwin Biology Professor Laments Academia's "Intolerance" and Supports Teaching Intelligent Design

Charles Darwin famously said, "A fair result can be obtained only by fully balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question." According to a recent article by J. Scott Turner, a pro-Darwin biology professor at SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, New York, modern Neo-Darwinists are failing to heed Darwin's advice. (We blogged about a similar article by Turner in The Chronicle of Higher Education in January, 2007.) Turner is up front with his skepticism of intelligent design (ID), which will hopefully allow his criticisms to strike a chord with other Darwinists.

Turner starts by observing that the real threat to education today is not ID itself, but the attitude of scientists towards ID: "Unlike most of my colleagues, however, I don't see ID as a threat to biology, public education or the ideals of the republic. To the contrary, what worries me more is the way that many of my colleagues have responded to the challenge." He describes the "modern academy" as "a tedious intellectual monoculture where conformity and not contention is the norm." Turner explains that the "[r]eflexive hostility to ID is largely cut from that cloth: some ID critics are not so much worried about a hurtful climate as they are about a climate in which people are free to disagree with them." He then recounts and laments the hostility faced by Richard Sternberg at the Smithsonian:

It would be comforting if one could dismiss such incidents as the actions of a misguided few. But the intolerance that gave rise to the Sternberg debacle is all too common: you can see it in its unfiltered glory by taking a look at Web sites like pandasthumb.org or recursed.blogspot.com [Jeffry Shallit's blog] and following a few of the threads on ID. The attitudes on display there, which at the extreme verge on antireligious hysteria, can hardly be squared with the relatively innocuous (even if wrong-headed) ideas that sit at ID's core.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner on the Kitzmiller v. Dover Case

Turner sees the Kitzmiller v. Dover case as the dangerous real-world expression of the intolerance common in the academy: "My blood chills ... when these essentially harmless hypocrisies are joined with the all-American tradition of litigiousness, for it is in the hand of courts and lawyers that real damage to cherished academic ideas is likely to be done." He laments the fact that "courts are where many of my colleagues seem determined to go with the ID issue” and predicts, “I believe we will ultimately come to regret this."

Turner justifies his reasonable foresight by explaining that Kitzmiller only provided a pyrrhic victory for the pro-Darwin lobby:

Although there was general jubilation at the ruling, I think the joy will be short-lived, for we have affirmed the principle that a federal judge, not scientists or teachers, can dictate what is and what is not science, and what may or may not be taught in the classroom. Forgive me if I do not feel more free.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner on Education

Turner explains, quite accurately, that ID remains popular not because of some vast conspiracy or religious fanaticism, but because it deals with an evidentiary fact that resonates with many people, and Darwinian scientists do not respond to ID's arguments effectively:

[I]ntelligent design … is one of multiple emerging critiques of materialism in science and evolution. Unfortunately, many scientists fail to see this, preferring the gross caricature that ID is simply "stealth creationism." But this strategy fails to meet the challenge. Rather than simply lament that so many people take ID seriously, scientists would do better to ask why so many take it seriously. The answer would be hard for us to bear: ID is not popular because the stupid or ignorant like it, but because neo-Darwinism's principled banishment of purpose seems less defensible each passing day.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner asks, “What, then, is the harm in allowing teachers to deal with the subject as each sees fit?” ID can't be taught, he explains, because most scientists believe that "normal standards of tolerance and academic freedom should not apply in the case of ID." He says that the mere suggestion that ID could be taught brings out "all manner of evasions and prevarications that are quite out of character for otherwise balanced, intelligent and reasonable people."

As we noted earlier, hopefully Turner’s criticisms will strike a chord with Darwinists who might otherwise close their ears to the argument for academic freedom for ID-proponents. Given the intolerance towards ID-sympathy that Turner describes, let us also hope that the chord is heard but the strummer is not harmed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: academicfreedom; creationscience; crevo; darwinism; fsmdidit; intelligentdesign
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To: betty boop; RightWhale
You may be right. But I'm thinking it'll be worth the effort.
1,621 posted on 07/26/2007 10:00:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; RightWhale
You may be right. But I'm thinking it'll be worth the effort.

With effort come the rewards.... :^) We value most what we have struggled with, once the struggle is over....

1,622 posted on 07/26/2007 10:04:37 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: Alamo-Girl; dougd; hosepipe
The initial program requires a programmer - but the program can subsequently modify itself....

Indeed. It has been explicitly designed so that it can do so, I imagine.

1,623 posted on 07/26/2007 10:06:18 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop
Programs don't create themselves as far as I know. They require a programmer. At least all the programs that we humans know about do.

It's not a question of self-creation. It's a question of whether or not the program itself contains a "header" or signature put there by the programmer.

1,624 posted on 07/26/2007 10:07:15 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop
Indeed. It has been explicitly designed so that it can do so, I imagine

Precisely so, dearest sister in Christ!

1,625 posted on 07/26/2007 10:15:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop
It's not a question of self-creation. It's a question of whether or not the program itself contains a "header" or signature put there by the programmer.

Again I aver that the "unreasonable effectiveness of math" is God's copyright notice on the cosmos.

In the case of DNA/tRNA for instance, the unreasonable effectiveness includes the geometry of the message and structural logic.

1,626 posted on 07/26/2007 10:18:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you so much for your kind words, dearest sister in Christ! And thank you for thinking to include Wesson’s model in our book.


1,627 posted on 07/26/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Again I aver that the "unreasonable effectiveness of math" is God's copyright notice on the cosmos.

You've also averred that science cannot answer the question of what the source is by studying the program - ie the answer to the question of the source of the program is not embedded in the program itself.

1,628 posted on 07/26/2007 10:24:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop; hosepipe
I don't think science has gone as far as it can go in asking and answering that and other questions. Nor do I believe it should throw up its hands and declare either "Nature did it!" or "God did it!"

When it goes beyond the "toolkit" of science and math - the question should be put in the hands of the theologians and philosophers.

Nevertheless, I'm very sincere in asserting that science - and math - should pursue the origin questions, all of them - as far as it can go.

Lack of curiosity is poisonous. Christians understand that God wants us to look and see. (Psalms 19:1-3, Romans 1:20)

My statement about God's copyright notice on the cosmos being the "unreasonable effectiveness of math" is my own speculation.

1,629 posted on 07/26/2007 10:33:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I agree. I also agree with the opinion you expressed earlier that when the scientists scale the last mountain of knowledge, they’ll find the theologians there waiting for them. I believe I disagree with significanly applying that in the context of the current debate, because doing so carries with it a tacit assertion that this is that “last mountain”, and the theologians are already there.


1,630 posted on 07/26/2007 10:43:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; dougd
[.. The initial program requires a programmer - but the program can subsequently modify itself.... / Indeed. It has been explicitly designed so that it can do so, I imagine. ..]

Thats what BOOTSTRAP(program) means.. The strap on the boot that makes it possible to put the foot into the boot.. and "the Foot" can then line dance wherever it wants to..

NO Bootstrap then the "program" is just abstract ideas in an abstract language.. and the "computer" is a poorly designed anchor..

1,631 posted on 07/26/2007 10:51:49 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: tacticalogic
We are on the same page, dear tacticalogic!
1,632 posted on 07/26/2007 10:52:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
Excellent metaphor. Thank you!
1,633 posted on 07/26/2007 10:53:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting.

“No one is immune from bias. However, bias should at least be admitted.”

I suggest that you admit your bias on your main page so that readers will understand the reason for your distortions.


1,634 posted on 07/30/2008 8:56:30 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Tell me ColdWater, which one of my so-called biases influences my position re: the failed HIV/AIDS hypothesis?


1,635 posted on 07/30/2008 10:41:32 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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