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Pro-Darwin Biology Professor...Supports Teaching Intelligent Design
Discovery Institute ^ | June 22, 2007

Posted on 06/23/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Pro-Darwin Biology Professor Laments Academia's "Intolerance" and Supports Teaching Intelligent Design

Charles Darwin famously said, "A fair result can be obtained only by fully balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question." According to a recent article by J. Scott Turner, a pro-Darwin biology professor at SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, New York, modern Neo-Darwinists are failing to heed Darwin's advice. (We blogged about a similar article by Turner in The Chronicle of Higher Education in January, 2007.) Turner is up front with his skepticism of intelligent design (ID), which will hopefully allow his criticisms to strike a chord with other Darwinists.

Turner starts by observing that the real threat to education today is not ID itself, but the attitude of scientists towards ID: "Unlike most of my colleagues, however, I don't see ID as a threat to biology, public education or the ideals of the republic. To the contrary, what worries me more is the way that many of my colleagues have responded to the challenge." He describes the "modern academy" as "a tedious intellectual monoculture where conformity and not contention is the norm." Turner explains that the "[r]eflexive hostility to ID is largely cut from that cloth: some ID critics are not so much worried about a hurtful climate as they are about a climate in which people are free to disagree with them." He then recounts and laments the hostility faced by Richard Sternberg at the Smithsonian:

It would be comforting if one could dismiss such incidents as the actions of a misguided few. But the intolerance that gave rise to the Sternberg debacle is all too common: you can see it in its unfiltered glory by taking a look at Web sites like pandasthumb.org or recursed.blogspot.com [Jeffry Shallit's blog] and following a few of the threads on ID. The attitudes on display there, which at the extreme verge on antireligious hysteria, can hardly be squared with the relatively innocuous (even if wrong-headed) ideas that sit at ID's core.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner on the Kitzmiller v. Dover Case

Turner sees the Kitzmiller v. Dover case as the dangerous real-world expression of the intolerance common in the academy: "My blood chills ... when these essentially harmless hypocrisies are joined with the all-American tradition of litigiousness, for it is in the hand of courts and lawyers that real damage to cherished academic ideas is likely to be done." He laments the fact that "courts are where many of my colleagues seem determined to go with the ID issue” and predicts, “I believe we will ultimately come to regret this."

Turner justifies his reasonable foresight by explaining that Kitzmiller only provided a pyrrhic victory for the pro-Darwin lobby:

Although there was general jubilation at the ruling, I think the joy will be short-lived, for we have affirmed the principle that a federal judge, not scientists or teachers, can dictate what is and what is not science, and what may or may not be taught in the classroom. Forgive me if I do not feel more free.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner on Education

Turner explains, quite accurately, that ID remains popular not because of some vast conspiracy or religious fanaticism, but because it deals with an evidentiary fact that resonates with many people, and Darwinian scientists do not respond to ID's arguments effectively:

[I]ntelligent design … is one of multiple emerging critiques of materialism in science and evolution. Unfortunately, many scientists fail to see this, preferring the gross caricature that ID is simply "stealth creationism." But this strategy fails to meet the challenge. Rather than simply lament that so many people take ID seriously, scientists would do better to ask why so many take it seriously. The answer would be hard for us to bear: ID is not popular because the stupid or ignorant like it, but because neo-Darwinism's principled banishment of purpose seems less defensible each passing day.

(J. Scott Turner, Signs of Design, The Christian Century, June 12, 2007.)

Turner asks, “What, then, is the harm in allowing teachers to deal with the subject as each sees fit?” ID can't be taught, he explains, because most scientists believe that "normal standards of tolerance and academic freedom should not apply in the case of ID." He says that the mere suggestion that ID could be taught brings out "all manner of evasions and prevarications that are quite out of character for otherwise balanced, intelligent and reasonable people."

As we noted earlier, hopefully Turner’s criticisms will strike a chord with Darwinists who might otherwise close their ears to the argument for academic freedom for ID-proponents. Given the intolerance towards ID-sympathy that Turner describes, let us also hope that the chord is heard but the strummer is not harmed.


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To: js1138

angles=angels.


641 posted on 07/03/2007 8:50:07 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Diamond; GraniteStateConservative; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
This is an argument from silence. That the first Christians were not about to overthrow the Roman Empire with its attendent forms of slavery and so did not explicitly in writing advocate abolishing slavery as an institution does not mean that they approved of it. For them it was just a fact of life that was not about to change any time soon.

Beautifully (and astutely) stated, Diamond! Thank you so much for your excellent essay/post!

642 posted on 07/03/2007 8:51:30 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop; GraniteStateConservative; hosepipe; .30Carbine; xzins; GunRunner
betty boop: Then you must have missed this: "Love thy neighbor as thyself."

Gsc: There is no indication that Jesus or his followers viewed slaves as "neighbors." No indication whatsoever. In fact, given the many opportunities to address the subject which were presented in the NT, there was no mention of slavery being unethical, immoral, unholy, or unrighteous as an institution. So, there is stronger evidence to suggest that slavery is acceptable than there is that dentistry (a subject which is never brought up in the NT) is acceptable.

A lawyer, seeking to justify himself, asked Jesus point blank, “who is my neighbor.” (Luke 10:29) In reply, Jesus spoke the parable of the good Samaritan. The Jews considered the Samaritans to be beneath them, a sub class. (John 4) The parable showed that such distinctions have no currency with Him.

Likewise in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus made it very clear the love command extends to our enemies as well:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. – Matthew 5:43-48

From Genesis to Revelation – it is not “about” this heaven and earth, it is about the new heaven and earth. (Colossians 1:19-23)

As hosepipe is wont to say, Jesus did not come to establish a religion, He came to establish a family - that inhabits the new heaven and new earth. (Romans 8, Revelation 21-22, et al)

If we focus on the carnal, we are not focusing on the Spiritual, the family, the new life. (Romans 8, I Cor 2, John 15-17 et al.)

That a Christian would find himself in the circumstance of bondage in this life is to be considered a great opportunity – and for the Christian who is responsible for him, a very great risk. Likewise with reference to marriage, the Christian husband is held to a greater standard. He is commanded three times to love his wife. The wife, on the other hand, is only commanded to submit to her own husband (not men generally.) See Ephesians 5:22-33

Concerning the opportunity of the one in bondage whether as a slave or a citizen:

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Servants, [be] subject to [your] masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. For this [is] thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God.

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. – I Peter 13-25

Again, the Scriptures are spiritual and must be spiritually discerned. God's name is I AM, Alpha and Omega. It is not “about” this heaven and earth.

To God be the glory!

643 posted on 07/03/2007 8:56:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
[.. Concerning the opportunity of the one in bondage whether as a slave or a citizen: ..]

It would do a seeker of truth justice considering what the word "Lord" means..
Many use the word not considering its meaning(s), I think..

644 posted on 07/03/2007 9:03:23 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
It would do a seeker of truth justice considering what the word "Lord" means.. Many use the word not considering its meaning(s), I think..

So very true, dear brother in Christ.

Many people seem to want to be the captain of their own ship and the master of their own destiny, submitting to no one - whether God, government, commanders, management, parents, spouse or any man.

But if we submit to God and follow the leading of the indwelling Spirit - we will work out our own sanctification (Phl 2) - and become submissive in this physical realm in the same manner and to the same extent He was.

645 posted on 07/03/2007 9:12:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Robert Ingersoll's commentary on this particular prescription was thus: Did any devil ever impose upon a household, upon a father, so cruel and so heartless an alternative? Who can worship such a god? Who can bend the knee to such a monster? Who can pray to such a fiend?

On what grounds does an atheist object to "devils", "cruelty", "monsters" and "fiends"?

"If a Brute and Blackguard made the world, then he also made our minds. If he made our minds, he also made that very standard in them whereby we judge him to be a Brute and Blackguard. And how can we trust a standard which comes from such a brutal and blackguradly source? If we reject him, we ought also to reject all his works. But one of his works is this very moral standard by which we reject him. If we accept this standard then we are really implying that he is not a Brute and Blackguard. If we reject it, then we have thrown away the only instrument by which we can condemn him. Heroic anti-theism thus has a contradiction in its centre. You must trust the universe in one respect even in order to condemn it in every other."

-C. S. Lewis

Cordially,

646 posted on 07/03/2007 9:24:23 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: js1138
If ID is going to be taken seriously, it needs a Sister Souljah moment. It needs to disassociate itself from creation science and from the Ken Hams of the world.

"Religious litmus test," by the way, is one of those legal theories which has not yet AFAIK been used in prosecuting a right to teach the Intelligent Design hypothesis in publicly funded schools.

I'd hate to see it come down this way because it would diminish the elegance and merit of the Intelligent Design hypothesis turning it into a religious statement per se, i.e. a presumption that the "intelligent cause" is an agent, not a phenomenon, and that agent is God.

The recent appeals court decision that atheism is a religion might provoke this legal argument.

647 posted on 07/03/2007 9:32:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, my dearest sister in Christ!
648 posted on 07/03/2007 9:35:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Diamond
Excellent, Diamond. Thank you so very much!

Praise God!!!

649 posted on 07/03/2007 9:38:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
There actually are ironies involved, when what starts out as bona fide science ends up being a popular "religion substitute" that utterly denies God.

Truly said. Thank you!

650 posted on 07/03/2007 9:40:00 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: blowfish
Thank you for sharing your concerns!

Please see my post 568 for further reply.

651 posted on 07/03/2007 9:43:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138; betty boop; Diamond; hosepipe
Your rant against Christian theology here describes only one of the several interpretations of Scripture - a minority interpretation at that.

I imagine you would object strenuously if I, in turn, projected on all scientists the view held by Singer, that parents should have months or a year after birth to decide whether to keep or kill the baby.

Nevertheless, we are talking about town squares, board rooms and court rooms - where Freedom of Speech prevails - even though it fails in the classroom by stare decisis.

652 posted on 07/03/2007 9:58:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
That a Christian would find himself in the circumstance of bondage in this life is to be considered a great opportunity...

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

To hell with that rubbish. If I ever find myself a slave, I will crush my enslavers, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of the women.

653 posted on 07/03/2007 9:59:03 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Alamo-Girl
projected on all scientists the view held by Singer...

Are you referring to Sanger, as in Margaret?

654 posted on 07/03/2007 10:03:27 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: GunRunner; Alamo-Girl
[.. To hell with that rubbish. If I ever find myself a slave, I will crush my enslavers, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of the women. ..]

"None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

655 posted on 07/03/2007 10:05:39 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Diamond
Excellent, again, dear Diamond. Thank you!
656 posted on 07/03/2007 10:05:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GunRunner
[.. projected on all scientists the view held by Singer... / Are you referring to Sanger, as in Margaret? ..]

Prof. Pete Singer as in communist.. Margaret was a FemiNazi..

657 posted on 07/03/2007 10:09:31 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
"Just remember, there's a thin line between being a hero and being a memory." - Optimus Prime
658 posted on 07/03/2007 10:18:39 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Simply beautiful, my dearest sister in Christ!

To God be all the glory!

659 posted on 07/03/2007 10:21:03 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Liberty and God are incompatible.

"The most celebrated American historian, George Bancroft, called Calvin "the father of America," and added: "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty." To John Calvin and the Genevan theologians, President John Adams credited a great deal of the impetus for religious liberty (Adams, WORKS, VI:313). This document [Institutes of the Christian Religion], includes a justification for rebellion to tyrants by subordinate government officials; this particular justification was at the root of the Dutch, English, and American Revolutions."
The American Colonist's Library
A TREASURY OF PRIMARY DOCUMENTS
Primary Source Documents Pertaining to Early American History

You might also want to take a look at ELLIS SANDOZ, ED., POLITICAL SERMONS OF THE AMERICAN FOUNDING ERA, 1730-1805 (1998)

"...To permit the religious perspective concerning the rise of American nationhood to have representative expression is important because a steady attention to the pulpit from 1730 to 1805 unveils a distinctive rhetoric of political discourse: Preachers interpreted pragmatic events in terms of a political theology imbued with philosophical and revelatory learning. Their sermons also demonstrate the existence and effectiveness of a popular political culture that constantly assimilated the currently urgent political and constitutional issues to the profound insights of the Western spiritual and philosophical traditions. That culture’s political theorizing within the compass of ultimate historical and metaphysical concerns gave clear contours to secular events in the minds of Americans of this vital era.

Religion gave birth to America, Tocqueville observed long ago.2 On the eve of revolution, in his last-ditch attempt to stave off impending catastrophe, Edmund Burke reminded the House of Commons of the inseparable alliance between liberty and religion among Englishmen in America3 Mercy Otis Warren noted in her 1805 history of the American Revolution: “It must be acknowledged, that the religious and moral character of Americans yet stands on a higher grade of excellence and purity, than that of most other nations.”4 Of the Americans on the eve of the Revolution Carl Bridenbaugh has exclaimed, “who can deny that for them the very core of existence was their relation to God?”5

Although they present a range of viewpoints on many different problems over a period of seventy-five years, all our writers agree that political liberty and religious truth are vitally intertwined. And while the role of the clergy as the philosophers of the American founding has not received great attention from students of political theory, it was abundantly clear to contemporaries. Perhaps the best insight into the role of the ministry was expressed by a participant, Reverend William Gordon of Roxbury, Massachusetts, who wrote the celebrated History of the American Revolution. “The ministers of New England being mostly congregationalists,” Gordon wrote,
are from that circumstance, in a professional way more attached and habituated to the principles of liberty than if they had spiritual superiors to lord it over them, and were in hopes of possessing in their turn, through the gift of government, the seat of power. They oppose arbitrary rule in civil concerns from the love of freedom, as well as from a desire of guarding against its introduction into religious matters. . . . The clergy of this colony are as virtuous, sensible and learned a set of men, as will probably be found in any part of the globe of equal size and equally populous. . . . [I]t is certainly a duty of the clergy to accommodate their discourses to the times; to preach against such sins as are most prevalent, and to recommend such virtues as are most wanted. . . . You have frequently remarked that though the partizans of arbitrary power will freely censure that preacher, who speaks boldly for the liberties of the people, they will admire as an excellent divine, the parson whose discourse is wholly in the opposite, and teaches, that magistrates have a divine right for doing wrong, and are to be implicitly obeyed; men professing Christianity, as if the religion of the blessed Jesus bound them tamely to part with their natural and social rights, and slavishly to bow their neck to any tyrant. . . 6.

Whatever the differences among them, all the sermon authors take as their reality the still familiar biblical image of Creator and creation, of fallen and sinful men, striving in a mysteriously ordered existence toward a personal salvation and an eschatological fulfillment. They knew that these goals are themselves paradoxically attainable only through the divine grace of election, a condition experienced as the unmerited gift of God, discernible (if at all) in a person’s faith in Christ, which yields assurance of Beatitude. The relationships are variously symbolized by personal and corporate reciprocal covenants ordering individual lives, church communities, and all of society in multiple layers productive of good works, inculcating divine truth and attentiveness to providential direction according to the “law of liberty” of the sovereign God revealed in the lowly Nazarene.7 The picture that thus emerges is not merely parochially Puritan or Calvinistic but Augustinian and biblical..."

Cordially

660 posted on 07/03/2007 10:21:47 AM PDT by Diamond
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