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To: Alamo-Girl

Not to get too excited and spew scripture, which does little but obscure the point of interest in scenery (context of zero relevance) of undeterminate form and color, but the statement in John 5:30 is also made elsewhere and ought to stop most people short and make them wonder why they imagine they can actually do anything themselves such as think and reason. The same idea appears in Plotinus, roughtly the same time period although he wasn’t Christian per se, and Leibniz who continues to be either ignored or misread. It has to do with free will. They even had a word for it, volle, and a word for this new claustral thing, nolle. Seems they knew about it 2000 years ago and chemical neuroscience has merely found the particular brain structure where it happens. Also William Law spoke of this at length and Jacob Boehme. Maybe Boehme can be dismissed as a neo-gnostic, but Law has yet to be topped for preaching his point. Freud had a clue also but did not deliver anything but some odd analogy.

I will have to see if Thomas ‘streetwise’ Aquinas had anything to say on this.


489 posted on 07/02/2007 9:40:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RightWhale; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe; marron; betty boop; cornelis; hosepipe
I'm game if you wish to get into a discussion of determinism (or predestination) v. free will. But other Freepers would surely also be interested, so I'm pinging a few.
506 posted on 07/02/2007 10:43:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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