[tacticalogic]

Of course you do! You look at their respective "fruits," or effects, in the real world, and make a comparison; from which one can draw reasonable inferences.

Which results in difference of opinions and beliefs about who does and doesn't suffer from the "observer problem", it seems.

[betty boop]

Which results in difference of opinions and beliefs about who does and doesn't suffer from the "observer problem", it seems.

Everybody "suffers" from the observer problem! It cannot be obviated under any conditions at all. It deals with our limited perspective as cognizing human beings that results in necessarily partial knowledge.

IOW, "the observer problem" is not a stick with which to beat one's opponent; it is a universal human condition. I have it; you have it; we all have it.