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Field sold on evolution-Theory solid for scientists, religiously motivated critics have no faith
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 25, 2007 | TOM McNAMEE Sun-Times Columnist

Posted on 06/25/2007 5:18:09 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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To: Toddsterpatriot
Your proof for creationism is a hole in the fossil record?

Gee, your whole natural selection argument gets shot to hell, and all you can do is offer up your creationism strawman again? I never made a claim regarding creationism. But thanks for playing anyway. We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you.

341 posted on 06/27/2007 5:36:03 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Hoodat
Gee, your whole natural selection argument gets shot to hell,

How's that again?

I never made a claim regarding creationism.

That's funny. So were my questions too hard for you?

342 posted on 06/27/2007 5:51:54 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FR Conspiracy Theorists and goldbugs so dumb?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You are the one bringing up creationism. And you are the one putting up the asinine natural selection argument for giraffes - these same giraffes who just suddenly appeared one day without transition into giraffes - these same giraffes who as adults have "naturally selected" long necks to enable them to better see predators even though they have no predators - these same giraffes who have a decided "naturally selected" height differential between male and female - these same giraffes who feed off the same vegetation as scores of other savannah mammals which happened not to have undergone a natural selection that was exclusively given to giraffes. Yes, your natural selection argument is total crap.


343 posted on 06/27/2007 6:14:34 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Hoodat
And you are the one putting up the asinine natural selection argument for giraffes - these same giraffes who just suddenly appeared one day without transition into giraffes

As opposed to you talking about their present environment as though that were their environment 1,000,000 years ago or more. LOL!

these same giraffes who as adults have "naturally selected" long necks to enable them to better see predators even though they have no predators

Were there no predators back when they first evolved? LOL!

these same giraffes who have a decided "naturally selected" height differential between male and female

In case you hadn't noticed, most species show differences between males and females. Maybe not in your case.

Yes, your natural selection argument is total crap.

As opposed to your argument? What was your argument again?

344 posted on 06/27/2007 6:22:23 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FR Conspiracy Theorists and goldbugs so dumb?)
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To: Chi-townChief
I turned to my son and shook my head and said: "Jesus. ..."

He didn't believe in Darwin's evolution either so kind of stupid to call on him for your point

345 posted on 06/27/2007 6:37:35 PM PDT by tophat9000 (My 2008 grassroots Republican platform: Build the fence, enforce the laws, and win the damm WAR!)
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To: ahayes; Non-Sequitur; Coyoteman

I Agreee - ‘most people really don’t give a darn and have never bothered to look into the evidence because they’re too busy with other things in their lives. Unfortunate, but that’s the way humans work.’

However, maybe you who are so sure should apply the scientific approach to dis-proving the Bible - most especially the life of Jesus Christ and related prophecies?

Did you know Jesus fulfilled over 100 prophecies? 33 on the day he was crucified? Read Psalm 22.

You experts are always asking the most difficult questions and yet know that most will not be answered in our lifetimes. Yet I’ve posted before and do so again - one of the best chreation science websites to try to explain:

- the movement of continents
- where all the water went from a global flood
- problems with Darwinian theory - even quotes from Darwin and other pro-evolution experts themselves
- origin of comets, asteroids, and meteoroids
- problems with old-age dating theories

and lots more I don’t have the time to list at www.creationscience.com - it’s basically a whole book available online or can be ordered in hardback.

I have yet to see anyone truly refute all the science contained therein.


346 posted on 06/30/2007 9:27:09 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
...and lots more I don’t have the time to list at www.creationscience.com - it’s basically a whole book available online or can be ordered in hardback.

I checked out the website you referenced. I went to the section titled How Accurate Is Radiocarbon Dating? and found it is largely tripe.

For example, the site states:

In one study of eleven sets of ancient human bones, all were dated at about 5,000 radiocarbon years or less!

This is standard creationist nonsense, copied from one creationist website to another without bothering to check its accuracy--of which there is none. The true story is presented in a recent Darwin Central blog.

The reason I check out the radiocarbon dating sections of these sites first is that I know that field, and can spot errors and nonsense quickly. And, if the site is so poor in this one section, what confidence should I have in other sections where I don't know the data as well?

But, I guess this is what we should expect from creation "science" eh?

347 posted on 06/30/2007 9:54:59 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Chi-townChief
. . .why. . .do these sycophant "journalists" like McNamee need to continuously shill for it and talk down others to try to make it look good.

It's not just journalists that do that. Frankly, it's that kind of behavior that has done more harm to the effort to convince people that evolution is true than anything. (Which is fine by me, by the way.)

When a person can only support their views on something with what amounts to 'your momma', they show they don't have all that much confidence in the position themselves.

348 posted on 06/30/2007 10:12:04 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Coyoteman

Coyoteman I really didn’t expect much more than that in your response. Only pro-evolution info gets your full attention

Did you know that the site author was at one time a proponent of evolution? Walt Brown’s credentials are impecable. The information is presented mainly in laymans terms but provide material and endnotes that go far deeper than any other I’ve seen - including talkorigins.

Many things which you simply refuse to discuss here. I doubt you have read even 2% of this website and far less than that much with an open mind.

Tripe is simply your opinion - one that seems to spend more time attacking others on FR rather than reading well-researched reasoning for:
a)not only the hundreds of problems with evolution but also b)a complete historical framework that may describe events more closely parallel to the Biblical record than any other creation or apologetics website to date.


349 posted on 06/30/2007 10:13:36 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
Did you know that the site author was at one time a proponent of evolution? Walt Brown’s credentials are impecable.

Then why is he writing nonsense in the section that I referenced?

And if he writes nonsense in that section, why should I trust anything else he says?

350 posted on 06/30/2007 10:17:01 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: ahayes; Greg F
A species is a population that is reproductively isolated, whether by genetic or structural incompatibility or by behavioral constraints.

I see. So the populations of International Falls, Minnesota and Dalandzadgad, Mongolia consitute two seperate species of man?

351 posted on 07/01/2007 2:01:41 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (see FR homepage for Euvolution v0.2.1)
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To: freespirited; Cedric
Bacteria, for example, can evolve very quickly.

They can evolve very quickly into what?

352 posted on 07/01/2007 2:11:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (see FR homepage for Euvolution v0.2.1)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

For example, a new strain of bacteria. I am sure you are familiar with the problem of micro-organisms becoming resistant to the drugs that medicine has available to treat disease. This is the result of the evolutionary process.

There seems to be some confusion here about what the term evolution means in biology. It refers to a change in the characteristics of the gene pool of a population over time.


353 posted on 07/02/2007 7:35:27 AM PDT by freespirited (Mr. President, PUT UP THE WALL.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
I see.

Obviously you do not.

354 posted on 07/06/2007 8:14:12 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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