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To: restornu; SierraWasp; KC Burke; Grampa Dave; Darnright; Eaker; CGVet58
This is hardly worth replying to. These people are grasping at straws and will do anything to make a lie stick (like throwing bovine excretment against a wall in the hope that some of it, any of it, will stick on the wall rather than sliding off it...knowing that some decent person is going to have to expend energy to clean up the mess in any case).

They made up junk science to get the water turned off to begin with in Klamath. Sadly, that was some government employees working with radical environmentalists and getting their junk before a liberal judge who sided with them. It took a lot of work to get that turned around when everyone with a lick of since in that part of the country knew...and knows...that those sucker fish were not endangered.

They have continued in that fashion ever since, including IMHO, with the Salmon kill. They are still trying to get someone whom they oppose...anyone and the higher the better...stuck with that. There are numerous good explanations on this thread that would be far more worthy of investigation and examination IMHO, then what these blowhards put forward.

But the war on the west continues and you can bet with a democratically controlled congress it will only be worse. It was hard enough when the republicans controlled it...at a time when those representatives could have slam dunked most of this...far too many of them were running scared from the environmental lobby and their friends on both sides of the aisle.

The fact is...there is a lot of lobby money, NGO money, and federal money behind these environmental programs. They fund studies specifically geared towards forgone conclusions. When the data from the study does not back it up...they just do another study with different parameters looking to support the foregone conclusion. I have seen this myself here in Idaho and, of course, in Oregon. If additional studies do not bring data that they can point to...then ultimately, as IMHO with Klamath, they will simply jimmy the data so that it says what they want and then proceed with a legal system rife with judges and lawyers purposely in place to push the agenda into judicial fiat, acts of congress, treaties, or any other way that they can for it to become "law".

I expect we will be fighting this and standing up against it my entire life-long and that of my kids and grand-kids...short of som major train wreck that so shakes our populace so as to wake us up and put an end to this Bravo Sierra so we can be a strong country again...strong in true conservation, strong in true resource management so we are actually producing, strong in energy management for the same reasons, strong in agriculture...and most of all, strong in moral values.

209 posted on 06/29/2007 8:07:29 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head; Phil V.; Issaquahking; AuntB; Grampa Dave; Boot Hill; Carry_Okie; sasquatch
Beautiful essay/lament my good FRiend. I really regret having not met you when the Wasp family took our "Wonder Wagon" (we always wonder when it'll crap-out) up to see what you and Phil V. were up to. Still have my Klamath Tea Party shirt. Can't quite remember all the FR screen names I used to ping, but sure remember a few!!!

I'm pleased to see your summary of the interminable situation as it must help the thousands of lurkers out there to understand "The War On The West" just a little bit better.

I know at the time it was happening, we all couldn't quite grasp the magnitude of the full court press these aggresive GovernMental EnvironMentalists were putting upon those innocent farmers and their productive ways of life.

Thanks Jeff, from one who's done his part in many similar battles in the Republican Schwartzenegger Sierra-Nevada CONservancy!!!

210 posted on 06/29/2007 8:51:38 AM PDT by SierraWasp (SIERRA REPUBLIC!!! (our 51st united state)(all of CA excluding coastal counties))
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To: Jeff Head

“I expect we will be fighting this and standing up against it my entire life-long and that of my kids and grand-kids...short of some major train wreck that so shakes our populace so as to wake us up and put an end to this Bravo Sierra so we can be a strong country again...strong in true conservation, strong in true resource management so we are actually producing, strong in energy management for the same reasons, strong in agriculture...and most of all, strong in moral values.”

Hopefully, the Klamath Falls victory will flow over to this travesty for another victory for our side.


211 posted on 06/29/2007 9:51:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Why do liberals thrive on bad news for America?)
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