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Police in Plantation, Florida, say ex-Marine within his rights to shoot armed robbers in Subway
South Florida Sun Sentinel ^ | 6/29/2007 | Akilah Johnson, Andrew Tran and Juan C. Ortega

Posted on 06/29/2007 6:11:33 AM PDT by Happy Valley Dude

Some are calling a former U.S. Marine a hero for shooting two men — killing one — during the botched robbery of a sandwich shop in Plantation. But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.

John Lovell had just finished dinner at about 11:15 p.m. Wednesday when, Plantation police say, two men armed with guns rushed inside a Subway shop and demanded cash. After robbing the store, the men turned to Lovell. They wanted his money, police said.

But like his attackers, Lovell was armed.

The retired military man opened fire, shooting dead Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale, and critically injuring Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale.

Lovell, 71, of Plantation, has a valid concealed weapons permit and is not expected to be charged in the shooting, said police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig. Gadson, however, faces multiple felony charges that could include murder, he said. Under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony such as armed robbery resulting in a death can be held accountable for the capital offense.

"He feared for his life," Rettig said of Lovell. "And if he's in fear for his life, then he has a right to defend himself, even if it means severe bodily injury or death."

Florida law gives people the right of "self-defense without the duty to retreat." That means individuals can use deadly force virtually anywhere to prevent death or serious injury.

Lovell could not be reached for comment despite calls and visits to his home.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2amendment; armedcitizen; banglist; concealedcarry; constitutionalright; marines; selfdefence; supportourtroops; veteran; veterans
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To: Savage Beast
""No need to let something like that live"

'nuff said.

41 posted on 06/29/2007 6:39:08 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: Sir Hailstone

m But he was a good boy.S


42 posted on 06/29/2007 6:39:36 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Sir Hailstone

“But the men’s friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.”

Five will get you ten that the surviving perp, surrounded by newly arrived lawyers hoping for a contingency fee, will announce from his taxpayer-funded hospital bed that he’s suing the Marine for being shot while trying to make a living. “That mean ol’ Jarhead — he creatin’ a hostile workplace!”


43 posted on 06/29/2007 6:40:12 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: texas booster
And a Corvette! At 71, driving a "pick-up-babes" mobile like a Vette. Yeah, give the guy a free cruise.

Have no idea if he still has the Vette, but it said that happened in 1990 when he would have been 54-years old.
44 posted on 06/29/2007 6:42:08 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: YOUGOTIT
But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.

Cuz folks, some people just need killin.
45 posted on 06/29/2007 6:42:40 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: claudiustg
The parents should be charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

The family was probably benefiting from the loot of the man's criminal career, which is why they're so upset

46 posted on 06/29/2007 6:43:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: YOUGOTIT
They said their grandson sometimes hung with the wrong crowd but never got into legal trouble. According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, he has no arrest record. They said Gadson, who never finished high school, got tired of low-wage jobs and was pursuing his GED.

Yes, of course, we've all heard that before. But they left out the "aspiring rapper" part. And they also forgot to mention that he was thinking about asking his latest baby-mama if he could move in with her. C'mon Granny, stick to the script!

-ccm

47 posted on 06/29/2007 6:47:58 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: NorthFlaRebel

Good catch. Still, it looks like the Vette is almost mandatory for old guys in Florida, and then for their widows when they pass (see post 36).


48 posted on 06/29/2007 6:48:00 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: bill1952

-—They have zero shame and do not believe that real punishment extends to them, since they are all “victims” of being black.-—

They don’t feel guilt, only a sense that something has unexpectedly gone wrong.

The only time they’ll possibly feel shame is when they are publicly dragged out and hung. It exposes them as powerless failures. Our ancestors realized this very well.


49 posted on 06/29/2007 6:48:10 AM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The “friends and family” need to be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.


50 posted on 06/29/2007 6:49:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: All

Now the countdown to the arrival of the Justice Brothers with megaphones in South Florida.


51 posted on 06/29/2007 6:50:26 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Graduate of Archie Bunker's School of Conservatism. . . . [http://digitalfarmers.blogspot.com])
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To: NonValueAdded

VERY good post. Love your tagline. He’d have loved this story.


52 posted on 06/29/2007 6:51:41 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: YOUGOTIT

This is why I’m moving to Florida. If this happened in Maryland, the Marine would be going to jail.


53 posted on 06/29/2007 6:51:58 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: YOUGOTIT

I’m a Canadian, so you can guess how many people I talk to have trouble grasping that concept. They think that you should retreat or cower from armed robbers, and that those armed robbers are just poor, misunderstood folks who come from broken families and poor socio-economic backgrounds and blah blah blah. I don’t know what’s wrong with them that they can’t see that someone sticking a gun or a knife in people’s faces for money is threatening bodily injury or death, and that whatever happens to them they have coming to them. What the heck is wrong with them?


54 posted on 06/29/2007 6:54:52 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Mr. Lovell shouldn't have had to wait until the perps turned on him to legally shoot them. He should have been perfectly free to shoot them while they were focusing on the cashier, without fear of prosecution.

I believe that's aleady the case in most states.

Here in Arizona the relevant statute reads:

"Section 13-406:

A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if:

  1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
  2. A reasonable person would believe that such person's intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person."
-ccm
55 posted on 06/29/2007 6:56:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: YOUGOTIT

“Florida law gives people the right of “self-defense without the duty to retreat.” That means individuals can use deadly force virtually anywhere to prevent death or serious injury.”

This is the REAL pi55er here! A principality or power cannot confer a right. A right exists intrinsically and is not a privilege.

Nice shooting Tex!

Stay alert


56 posted on 06/29/2007 6:58:15 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! "On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" By David Grossman)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
".9 mm "

Dang! That thing shoots micro BB's!

57 posted on 06/29/2007 7:00:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: All

Arrindell was struck twice — once in the head and once in the stomach...
Gadson was hit in the chest...

Nice grouping, and he probably only pulled the trigger 3 times.


58 posted on 06/29/2007 7:02:44 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I'm trying to think, but nothing happens)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
" police had arrested him for having a loaded .9 mm and three extra clips behind the driver's seat of a Corvette without proper permits for the gun. The Broward State's Attorney's Office declined to file charges in that case."

No charges files because the DA got a phone call explaining how Mr. Lovell had ably served the Kennedy/Johnson administration aboard Marine 1.

Good deal!

59 posted on 06/29/2007 7:03:20 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: All

loaded .45 caliber handgun from his holster and fired seven rounds,”

Sorry, I didn’t see this the first time around. Dayam, a 45, he put three giant holes in these dudes.


60 posted on 06/29/2007 7:05:24 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I'm trying to think, but nothing happens)
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