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Lovell, a retired Pan-Am and Delta Airline pilot, has held a concealed weapons permit since September 1990. Three months earlier, Plantation police had arrested him for having a loaded .9 mm and three extra clips behind the driver's seat of a Corvette without proper permits for the gun. The Broward State's Attorney's Office declined to file charges in that case.

The Broward State's Attorney's Office no doubt wants as many law-abiding armed citizens as possible to be out there helping with crime control.

She and her husband, Ivory Jones, pastor of a Fort Lauderdale church, . . . They said their grandson sometimes hung with the wrong crowd but never got into legal trouble. According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, he has no arrest record.

Well he's sure as heck in some legal trouble now. And something tells me he had no ADULT arrest record, which is very different from having no arrest record.

Gadson was hit in the chest and ran from the store. Police dogs found him in the hedges of a nearby office building and bank.

Shoulda left him there til he was good and dead.

Arrindell, friends said, found himself in a similar situation: no high school diploma and working odd jobs. So he went back to school. He was a man with past troubles, including a 2004 arrest for carrying a concealed weapon, but he was improving his life, they said. He recently bought a car and had a girlfriend.

Maybe if his friends and family had asked a few more questions about where he got the money to buy that car, they could have doen some aggressive intervention in his life then, and he'd still be alive now. They need to take a long look at themselves in the mirror.

On a very serious note, it's WAY past time the RKBA movement got to work removing the "SELF" from laws permitting shooting in self-defense. Mr. Lovell shouldn't have had to wait until the perps turned on him to legally shoot them. He should have been perfectly free to shoot them while they were focusing on the cashier, without fear of prosecution.

40 posted on 06/29/2007 6:38:23 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Mr. Lovell shouldn't have had to wait until the perps turned on him to legally shoot them. He should have been perfectly free to shoot them while they were focusing on the cashier, without fear of prosecution.

I believe that's aleady the case in most states.

Here in Arizona the relevant statute reads:

"Section 13-406:

A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if:

  1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
  2. A reasonable person would believe that such person's intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person."
-ccm
55 posted on 06/29/2007 6:56:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
".9 mm "

Dang! That thing shoots micro BB's!

57 posted on 06/29/2007 7:00:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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Arrindell was struck twice — once in the head and once in the stomach...
Gadson was hit in the chest...

Nice grouping, and he probably only pulled the trigger 3 times.


58 posted on 06/29/2007 7:02:44 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I'm trying to think, but nothing happens)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
" police had arrested him for having a loaded .9 mm and three extra clips behind the driver's seat of a Corvette without proper permits for the gun. The Broward State's Attorney's Office declined to file charges in that case."

No charges files because the DA got a phone call explaining how Mr. Lovell had ably served the Kennedy/Johnson administration aboard Marine 1.

Good deal!

59 posted on 06/29/2007 7:03:20 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: GovernmentShrinker
On a very serious note, it's WAY past time the RKBA movement got to work removing the "SELF" from laws permitting shooting in self-defense. Mr. Lovell shouldn't have had to wait until the perps turned on him to legally shoot them. He should have been perfectly free to shoot them while they were focusing on the cashier, without fear of prosecution.

I'm not a lawyer, or an expert on these matters, but I feel confident that, as a rule, laws permitting deadly force in self-defense allow you to use that force in defense of an innocent third party. I know that the California laws do.
114 posted on 06/29/2007 12:40:17 PM PDT by Mariebl
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