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Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/30/2007 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 06/30/2007 4:36:50 PM PDT by 1066AD

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To: submarinerswife
Tonight on the history Channel there is a JFK conspiracy show debunking the entire theory. It is the best documentary that I have ever seen,.......

Well, that settles it. It sounds like the lone gunman scenario has been proved to be true.

......hosted by Peter Jennings.

Well, that settles it. It sounds like the lone gunman scenario cannot possibly be true.

201 posted on 06/30/2007 9:34:44 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: 1066AD

It was the vast right wing conspiracy.


202 posted on 06/30/2007 9:36:41 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Radix
I cannot provide any evidence of who killed Kennedy.

All righty, then, I'm an idiot because i believe the available evidence, while you have no evidence to the contrary. Uh huh. There has to be a conspiracy. There just has to !! I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!!!1!

Your words: As far as I am concerned, anyone who is willing to buy that garbage, is seriously suspect when it comes to free thinking.

But you can provide no evidence to the contrary. So I should believe you because ... you said so. Please.

The "Best Evidence" book which I read a long while ago might give you some insight to the mysteries of the handling of the situation way back in 1963.

It also might give me insight into the conspiracy loopiness of David Lifton. Been there, done that. David Lane, too.

You're obviously new to this discussion. I'm not. The debate has gone one for almost 44 years, and I was involved in it for more than a dozen before I lost the energy. Don't bring the weak stuff to the table.

I have read a few other books on the subject as well, but that fact I supose will clearly/likely not carry much weight in your view.

I bet all of them came down on the pro-conspiracy side. I've read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner, and I recommend it. I haven't read -- but I plan to -- "Reclaiming history" by Vincent Bugliosi, The Los Angeles County DA who, among other accomplishments, got Charles Manson convicted.

So, no, the fact that you've read a few books doesn't carry a lot of weight with me. I've read a few more.

Jim Garrison

was a hack, a charlatan, and a self-promoting fraud. A few years after the failed prosecution of Clay Shaw, Garrison faced and was acquitted of corruption charges.

He was later defeated for re-election by an attorney named Harry Connick. Connick's son, Harry Jr., was a prodigy who took after-school piano lessons from a N'awlins pianist named Ellis Marsalis. After the lessons, he played -- played music, played games -- with Marsalis' sons, Wynton, Branford, Delfeayo and Jason.

Oliver Stone's fantasy flick was based on Garrison's made-up theory. It doesn't merit more commentary than that.

Whatever, as long as there are mindless ones such as yourself who find "free thinking" to be somehow an insult

I don't think "free thinking" is an insult. I think your use of the phrase is a joke. I am not opposed to free thinking -- I'm a practitioner. I'm not mocking free thinking. I'm mocking you.

the perpetrators will continue to move among us all unabated.

The murderer of President John F. Kennedy was Lee Harvey Oswald, who was shot dead in November 1963. If you know of other perpetrators who "continue to walk among us unabated," name them.

203 posted on 06/30/2007 9:37:12 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Polybius

“Some of my friends are for coyote hunting and some of my friends are against coyote hunting. I want you to know, I’m for my friends”- Unknown Politician.


204 posted on 06/30/2007 9:37:48 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: ReignOfError

As excellent a refutation of an argument as I have ever read! Well Done, Sir!!


205 posted on 06/30/2007 9:40:05 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: ReignOfError
How could a crime that affected so many people be carried off by this lonely little pissant loser? There must be more to it. We have an emotional need for a bigger villain.

You make a very good point. Imho, there is generally more danger in the day to day of life, from the lone wacko then from a more professional kind of criminal element. The problem is when you have lots of these wackos coming together under the umbrella of ideology or religion. For instance, the Nazis, radical Islamists, and certain nation states such as Iran and others. The environment intentionally shapes and exploits the vulnerable and preys upon their psychoses.
206 posted on 06/30/2007 9:41:25 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: REDWOOD99

You have a lot invested in your theories. Ruby was pictured up on Dealy Plaza that afternoon also. What about the three tramps? Charles Harrison, the CIA guy and one other known assassin. I could go on and on.


207 posted on 06/30/2007 9:43:13 PM PDT by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: ReignOfError
Truthfully, I was about to turn out the lights here just before I spotted your ridiculous post.

I am still going to turn them out, but I wanted to say before I tuck myself in that you are willfully blind in my opinion.

If you are so feeble minded that you believe that hogwash of a cover up concerning Oswald and Kennedy, then likely you and I really do not have a whole lot to talk about at all.

208 posted on 06/30/2007 9:44:12 PM PDT by Radix (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race)
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To: cmiller623

“Ruby was pictured up on Dealy Plaza that afternoon also.”

Can you please refer me to where you saw this?

“What about the three tramps? Charles Harrison, the CIA guy and one other known assassin.”

Can you please refer me to WTF you’re talking about?

“I could go on and on.”

Please do. You’re making me curious as to what it is you think you know.


209 posted on 06/30/2007 9:48:19 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: darwin-t
What I wondered was why he didn’t take out the driver as the car came toward him and then pick off everyone else in the car.

If the driver collapsed, the president would have been pushed to the floor with a pile of Secret Service agents on top of him.

The way to pick off the president is to pick off the president. Try to get clever, leave a few seconds' delay, and everyone moves to protect the president, and you just wind up braining Jim Brady.

210 posted on 06/30/2007 9:49:48 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: REDWOOD99

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson


211 posted on 06/30/2007 9:50:57 PM PDT by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: Radix

“And the willingly stupid will sleep peacefully.”

REDWOOD99 6-30-07


212 posted on 06/30/2007 9:51:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: msnpatriot
Beyond Conspiracy is a Jennings produced govt mis-information piece.

But of course.

The DVR description claims that it's narrated by Peter Jennings, but the voice of the narrator is clearly not Peter Jennings. I think he died before he could track the narration. I'm about 95% certain that the voice is that of Frank Sesno, formerly of CNN.

213 posted on 06/30/2007 9:56:26 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: 1066AD

Strange - caught a few minutes of a special on the Kennedy assassination on the History Channel (during a commercial break in “Das Boot” on AMC) - showed marksman having no trouble getting off three shots in eight seconds while taking time to aim with the same type of rifle used by Oswald - depends on what you’re trying to prove or disprove apparently.....


214 posted on 06/30/2007 9:57:07 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ReignOfError

One more point, sometimes I think people are willing to believe a conspiracy theory (sometimes even outlandish ones) rather than accepting things at face value such as the “lone gunman theories”, as psychologically, it’s more comforting to believe in a conspiracy rather than deal with a world where evil can happen anywhere, at any time. IOW, there is no reason, or plan, but rather random chaos.

Not to contradict myself, per se, but I don’t think we will ever really know what happened with JFK.


215 posted on 06/30/2007 10:01:49 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: 1066AD

At this point, who cares?

Kennedy was a rotten President anyway.

This will never go away - like John Wilkes Booth and whether or not the guy killed was REALLY him, or whether or not his diary had secret information in it that the War Department removed.


216 posted on 06/30/2007 10:02:09 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Radix

Talk all you want if you have real information to bring. If all you have is more insults and speculation, then it’s probably best that you save your tim and mine.


217 posted on 06/30/2007 10:05:45 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: cmiller623

Harrelson has declared that he was involved in John F. Kennedy’s assassination. [3] Some think he was one of the three tramps photographed after being arrested on November 22, 1963, in a boxcar in the railyard near Dealey Plaza. [4] Harrelson’s arresting officer, Marvin L. Wise, claims that the three men in his custody were released after a few hours of questioning. The other arresting officer, David V. Harkness, testified that there were several individuals removed from the train that day other than the three individuals in the photograph. Dallas Police Department documents presented to the public in 1992 indicate that three transients arrested by Dallas officer W.E. Chambers with no connection to the assassination were jailed for six days for vagrancy, and that one of those men was named John Gedney.

You’ve thrown a vagarie at the Charles Harrelson question. Let’s accept it as truth. At 23 years old, what idiot would hire him to assassinate the President. Or was he the spotter for “the CIA guy and the one other known assassin.”?


218 posted on 06/30/2007 10:07:11 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99
I’m guessing he means Ford (Warren Commission)?
219 posted on 06/30/2007 10:08:50 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: mnehrling

So did Penn and Teller on their series Bull$hit


220 posted on 06/30/2007 10:09:49 PM PDT by packrat35 (Bush whither be thy brain)
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