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Ultrasounds Used To Change Minds
Albuquerque Journal ^ | July 1, 2007 | By Polly Summar

Posted on 07/01/2007 4:49:12 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

-SNIP-

The increasing use of ultrasound exams at crisis pregnancy centers brings criticism from clinics that provide abortion. They see its use as manipulating pregnant women. Eve Espey, obstetrician/gynecologist at University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center, said CPCs are looking at legislation to force women to view an ultrasound before having an abortion.

"I think it's very much a coercive measure," said Espey, "because I think it gets back to your basic right to have the information you want to have."

(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: abortion; cpc; crisispregnancy; informedconsent; moralabsolutes; prolife; ultrasound
So, this OB/GYN thinks that having an ultrasound of your baby violates the basic right to have the information you want to have? Did I read that correctly???
1 posted on 07/01/2007 4:49:13 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: wagglebee

Do you have a prolife ping list?


2 posted on 07/01/2007 4:52:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39; 230FMJ; 49th; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

Freepmail wagglebee or little jeremiah to subscribe or unsubscribe from the moral absolutes ping list.

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[ Add keyword moral absolutes to flag FR articles to this ping list ]


3 posted on 07/01/2007 4:54:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yes, didn’t you read that in the Constitution?


4 posted on 07/01/2007 4:55:13 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: greyfoxx39; cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser

cgk, Coleus, cpforlife.org and narses have pro-life ping lists, 8mmMauser does the “Terri Daily” thread which is pro-life related.


5 posted on 07/01/2007 4:56:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks, wagglebee....I thought this article was so outrageous it should be seen.


6 posted on 07/01/2007 4:58:47 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Ultrasounds Used To Change Minds

So that is how my wife does it!!!

7 posted on 07/01/2007 5:02:05 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

LOL


8 posted on 07/01/2007 5:03:22 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

I agree.


9 posted on 07/01/2007 5:04:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: greyfoxx39

In any other surgical procedure, from a root canal to open heart surgery, the patient is shown x-rays,ultrsounds and any other imagery that can be obtained about the area in question. Why is abortion the only procedure where the patient is kept in the dark


10 posted on 07/01/2007 5:10:38 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: greyfoxx39
Just the other day I read this story how ancient peoples would throw their babies to be burned alive in a fire to appease the god Moloch and I said to myself “I am so glad we are a very modern, enlightened, and sophisticated people and society and would never, ever do that type of thing....”
11 posted on 07/01/2007 5:11:55 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: greyfoxx39

This is the statement of one who has lost the argument before it began.


12 posted on 07/01/2007 5:14:31 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: jmcenanly

“Why is abortion the only procedure where the patient is kept in the dark?”

Because the ultrasound would show that the “tissue” was in fact a living , growing fetus :)

tatt


13 posted on 07/01/2007 5:27:57 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("So long as we have such as Professor Librescu, evil will never triumph." Brujo 4 18 07)
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To: greyfoxx39

The BASIC RIGHT to have the information I want to have. Sweet, I’ll have to check the Bill of Rights on this one, but I’m down with this.

Every time Hillary opens her mouth, and I inadvertently hear her, I’m going to sue her for a violation of my BASIC RIGHTS.

Al Gore - I’ve heard about the Inconvenient Truth. Not only is it inconvenient, I don’t want to know. It’s a basic right of mine and you have been violating my rights.

Do you think Edwards will take the case? I heard he likes specious lawsuits...


14 posted on 07/01/2007 5:28:54 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: greyfoxx39
So, this OB/GYN thinks that having an ultrasound of your baby violates the basic right to have the information you want to have? Did I read that correctly???

Sounds like someone's brain has been used as a latrine.

15 posted on 07/01/2007 5:34:51 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: thesearethetimes...
Because the ultrasound would show that the “tissue” was in fact a living , growing fetus :)

As an aside, foetus is Latin for "offspring". Fetus sounds cold and clinical but it's meaning is not. ;)

16 posted on 07/01/2007 5:48:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Eve Espey, obstetrician/gynecologist at University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center
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Being that she’s basically the school nurse at a public university I’d say that there’s just about a 100% chance that you are correct on your latrine comment ,, why would our children at a public university where they are supposed to be taught critical thinking need something as irrelevant as the facts before killing their child ... I tried to read more of the article but that paper requires a subscription..


17 posted on 07/01/2007 6:10:22 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: thesearethetimes...
“Why is abortion the only procedure where the patient is kept in the dark?”

Shame, guilt, avoiding the truth, etc., etc., etc...

18 posted on 07/01/2007 6:32:13 PM PDT by tophat9000 (My 2008 grassroots Republican platform: Build the fence, enforce the laws, and win the damm WAR!)
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To: greyfoxx39
IMO, viewing an ultrasound could spare the young woman years of guilt and remorse once she realizes that she did not eliminate an “unviable tissue mass” but instead aborted a real baby. The pro-choicers do not want pregnant woman who are considering abortion to have the whole truth because they will “choose life”.
19 posted on 07/01/2007 6:49:48 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: greyfoxx39

I think it is a wonderful tool, and it is the least a mother could do before having her child ripped to shreds. Anything to save lives.


20 posted on 07/01/2007 7:31:59 PM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
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To: greyfoxx39
I think she is referring to the fact that the information will be required (ie the woman won't have a choice as to whether or not she wants to be informed. You know this is the pro-choice crowd LOL. If they (the abortion industry) are correct and a "fetus" isnt yet a person, what harm would it do to show that? I think they should also require a woman seeking an abortion to view a live birth (especially if her baby is viable) and an abortion filmed at her stage of pregnancy. But alas, abortion must be shrouded in lies to keep it palatable to the masses. Actually I just think it should be outlawed altogether but common sense with law makers seems to be a thing of the past.
21 posted on 07/01/2007 8:05:05 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (new poster, not enough time to think up a clever tagline.)
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To: greyfoxx39

freepmail narses, runs the catholic ping list, but knows who runs the pro-life pings as well (i think)


22 posted on 07/01/2007 8:27:32 PM PDT by oakcon (Dulce et Decorum est pro Patria mori)
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To: greyfoxx39

Actress Patricia Heaton (of “Raymond” fame) gave $1.5 million of her own money to buy 3D Ultrasound machines for clinics to discourage women from having abortions. God bless her. That is $1.5 million more than so-called “pro-life” George W. Bush has proposed to spend (in addition to his not cutting a single penny from the $262 million federal subsidies to Planned Parenthood).


23 posted on 07/01/2007 8:37:12 PM PDT by montag813
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To: greyfoxx39; wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


24 posted on 07/02/2007 3:22:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: montag813

Can anyone tell me why that bunch of butchers should get one single dime of tazpayers’ money?


25 posted on 07/02/2007 6:55:18 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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I can attest to the life saving power of ultrasounds. Since 2004 my group has done fundraising to help CPC’s acquire six of these machines. They tell us of the impact the images have on the mothers to be.

I also want to say that anyone or any group can do fundraising for your local CPC and it’s quite simple. I posted the steps that we found most effective on my site http://cpforlife.org/id157.htm Feel free to Freepmail me with any questions.

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

26 posted on 07/02/2007 8:57:44 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: greyfoxx39

>> “I think it’s very much a coercive measure,” said Espey, “because I think it gets back to your basic right to have the information you want to have.”

Before you are two sealed tanks each with a small vent at the top. One tank is empty, the other contains a small beautiful child. You’re required to fill one and only one tank with water. Would you like to know which tank encloses the child?


27 posted on 07/02/2007 2:09:37 PM PDT by Gene Eric (They kill fetuses with zeal)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Can anyone tell me why that bunch of butchers should get one single dime of tazpayers’ money? >>>

It’s a good question. The pro-life catholic and evangelical republicans in congress and the white house have been “increasing” Title X for family-planning spending for Planned Parenthood and other organizations since the pubs took over congress in 1994 and bush took over the white house in 2001.

$283,000,000 in 2006 in title X and ZERO to crisis pregnancy centers trying to save the lives of babies. I believe medicaid still pays for abortions too.

We also pay the ACLU for the many cases they take to court.


28 posted on 07/02/2007 2:30:13 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: wagglebee
Priests for Life -- What an abortion looks like
29 posted on 07/02/2007 4:49:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: greyfoxx39

You have the right to remain stupid...?


30 posted on 07/02/2007 4:55:01 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Hope that wasn’t directed at me.


31 posted on 07/02/2007 4:59:46 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("We don't want to open a box of Pandoras." - Bruce King former governor of NM, DEM)
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To: greyfoxx39; TASMANIANRED

>> >> You have the right to remain stupid...?

>> Hope that wasn’t directed at me.

Yeah, that’s the problem with being the messenger. All I can say is “Hit the deck!”.


32 posted on 07/02/2007 6:06:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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Only in as much as you posted the article...not a personal remark.

Right to remain stupid:....They consider it an offense to be disabused of the notion “stupid presumption”..that it is a clump of cells.

It is an imposition of their stupidity to see something with the face, hands and fingers of a human...

I was trying to make a play on the reading of Miranda rights...Sorry if it fell flat...

33 posted on 07/02/2007 6:11:15 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: greyfoxx39; MHGinTN; Calpernia; Salvation; All
Of course they have to find it coercive and manipulative....they will accuse the LIFE side of exactly what THEY use for their own tactics. Deflection!

Is it any wonder we have a generation or two of people who cannot take responsibility for thier own actions?! Large organizations can get away with "murder" (wow! That cliche' works here!) so why not individuals!??

Abusers in Domestic Violence and Abuse do the same thing...project, deflect, play the blame game! Not much different, is it? PP abuses women. It manipulates them, when they are at their greatest need for understanding and compassion!! Instead of compassion, there is manipulation to make them think the best thing for them is to PAY PP to remove the LIFE, which would (deceit) remove the problem from their lives and make everything right again. Psychological abuse. Then further lack of compassion, by sending them out the door, wounded and not providing the appropriate post-abortive counseling!

WOW! A society that PAYS abusers!? But they have the gall to say it is in the best interest of the client? They know what is best!? WOW!! Use the Domestic Violence and Abuse profile and set it side by side with PP. This is freaky!

PING to a few of you!

34 posted on 07/02/2007 7:22:01 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: MountainFlower

Excellent post, MountainFlower.


35 posted on 07/03/2007 6:14:34 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("We don't want to open a box of Pandoras." - Bruce King former governor of NM, DEM)
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“Why is abortion the only procedure where the patient is kept in the dark?”

'Shame, guilt, avoiding the truth, etc., etc., etc...'

The shame and guilt usually come afterewards for the post-abortive. PP doesn't bear shame or guilt, they exude the spirit of deceit. Part of the plan is to keep clients in the dark. As long as the clients are in the dark, being deceived, the death-mill can go on, bringing in the money, killing off another generation.

The ultrasounds will save some babies, so they need to fight them! A bill that would require post-abortive counseling would be fought because that would be admitting they are causing harm.

Truth will dispell the deceit, and remove it from the land. Truth is the stories of the post-abortives! Those stories being told will also bring the healing of the post-abortives, as they share their life story. I am NOT promoting exploitation of someone who is post-abortive. The Truth will come as God reaches their hearts.

In the meantime, we are not called to sit on our hands and hope and wait. Babies are being murdered every few seconds. Where is the out cry from the nation??!! Too many are sleeping. Lord, raise them up! Wake them! Move them!

36 posted on 07/03/2007 8:28:55 AM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: montag813
Actress Patricia Heaton (of “Raymond” fame) gave $1.5 million of her own money to buy 3D Ultrasound machines for clinics to discourage women from having abortions.

Wonderful!

37 posted on 07/03/2007 8:32:13 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: greyfoxx39
So, this OB/GYN thinks that having an ultrasound of your baby violates the basic right to have the information you want to have? Did I read that correctly???

Why, yes! Didn't you see that in the Bill of Rights? It's the 74th Amendment: The Right to Remain Blissfully Ignorant

38 posted on 07/03/2007 8:50:35 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: greyfoxx39
"I think it's very much a coercive measure," said Espey, "because I think it gets back to your basic right to have the information you want to have."

Translation: "I think it's very much a coercive measure," said Espey, "because I think it gets back to your basic right to NOT have the information you DON'T want to have." ;)

39 posted on 07/03/2007 8:51:59 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: greyfoxx39

Not even in the league with microwave radiation cooking our brains everywhere in sight of a cell tower.


40 posted on 07/03/2007 8:52:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: TChris
Why, yes! Didn't you see that in the Bill of Rights? It's the 74th Amendment: The Right to Remain Blissfully Ignorant

That's a great comment!

41 posted on 07/03/2007 3:05:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("We don't want to open a box of Pandoras." - Bruce King former governor of NM, DEM)
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To: greyfoxx39; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

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42 posted on 07/06/2007 10:55:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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