Posted on 07/01/2007 5:13:44 PM PDT by Signalman
Huh??? Did I miss the part where the Latino vote has previously gone Republican?
Dick “Toe Sucker” Morris is all about promoting Dick “Toe Sucker” Morris. He’ll have a new theory in about 10 seconds. And then will be on fox trying to sell another lame book.
yep.... I’ve been saying for several years now that our President is out to prove that when you try to be in the middle, and court that 15% that is undecided... you just make the other 85% unhappy with you.
No, because we can’t lose Florida over this. Cubans in South Florida won’t be going with the Democrat, and we actuaally don’t need to win New Mexico. New Mexico is actually the only loss I see from this, and I think this could boost our standing in voter rich union states, like Michigan, that view immigration entirely from a class basis.
I also think this could help us in Pennsylvania. Not so much in Mexican neighborhoods, but once again, amongst labor unions. I think there is going to be rank-and-file labor defection next year, the way there was for Reagan both times. I’ll gladly trade New Mexico for Michigan any day.
This entire issue is a democratic trap. It’s a reality that all of those Latinos will be voters eventually, and democratic voters they will be. By killing the bill, the republican party and conservative movement will get a slower death, rather than a fast one. I’m afraid the whole country will be just like California within the next 10 years and nothing is going to stop it.
And they will lose alot more in 2008. But they value those Hispanic votes above all else.
They need to do it. I meant they need to win it 1 1/2 year before the election which they cannot do. We had better go back to defining the win as we originally did kick Saddam’s butt and get out. And I do not mean half out.
I don't think so. The bill was a trap, but not in the fashion others have said. The Democrats were and are fully aware that if this abomination were to get signed into law, there would be an immediate and massive backlash against those seen as responsible. Because President Bush was behind this bill, the Republicans could be portrayed as responsible if a significant number of them voted for it. But had the Democrats in either house forced it through over unanimous or near-unaninous rejection by Republicans, such portrayal wouldn't work.
If a third of the Republicans could be persuaded to vote for the bill, then it would have been incredibly in the Democrats' best interest to pass it (they get a huge benefit in immigrant votes, while Republicans bear most of the backlash). But without significant Republican acquiescence, the Democrats couldn't pass it without the backlash harming them far more severely than the new voters would help them.
The legal ones that can vote may very well vote republican because of our stance against amnesty. The legals were mad about it too. Illegals can’t vote.
In motor voter states, they've already got the illegal immigrant vote (which is primarily latino). I can't imagine any other vote going to the democRATS that isn't there already (deadbeats, lazy people, and a few environazis).
I’m not so sure that liberals actually want Latinos in the Democratic party. It’s true they could help the party win electoral gains, but on certain cultural issues, Latinos, are going to force that party to the right. Mexicans have a traditional view of male/female roles, they are strongly pro-life, they are anti-homosexual, and like blacks, they are going to go with their own leaders, and the homophobic Mexican American leader will always do better than the pro-gay one.
That being said, I think this whole thing is being overstated. Illegals tend to be settling only in certain areas because well, not everywhere in this country actually goes out of their way to accomodate them. And they are not that sophisticated politically. They will go where they can get work and where services accomodate them. If services won’t accomodate them, they won’t move to said area. Our school district doesn’t have bilingual programs, and what a suprise, you don’t see illegals flocking to be here, even though there’s plenty of work for them.
And any attempt to turn the country too far to the left is just going to lead another attempt at secession. If we had not been at, for better or worse, towards the tail end of a 15 year expansion back in 2000, that election might not have ended as peacefully as it did. Our country is more divided than it ever has been, which is why any move to push the country too far one way or another is going to fall flat. The days of broad national programs and landslides are over.
Theoretically. But then, theoretically they can't work in the US, either.......
And that’s how we can win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, maybe even have a fighting chance in Illinois.
Frankly, I don’t know any state that doesn’t have a high number of illegal aliens.
Well, I would give Dick credit if not for three reasons.
1) A part of him believes they are clever, even if he says he dismisses it.
2) Hispanics already vote in large numbers for Dems.
3) 80% of the country hated that bill, and many of them were the Reagan Dems that gave Republicans AND Democrats majorities!
What is it about these people that leads them to cast aside the most impotant political constituency that has actually proven over and over again they have the ability to make or break majorities? Normal, blue collar, many union working, faith based hard working citizens. Yet both parties are obsessed with a couple extra points from minorities.
I mean, sure, no one should ignore bringing different demogrphics to their side, but if I were a pol, not a conservative or liberal, just a politician I’d plant my campaign flat down on the center of a Reagan Democrat to start with.
Illegals do not make up a significant portion of the population in any Southern state outside Texas. Yes, they are actually in every state, but, even if legal, their votes would have zero political impact.
The Mexican vote is only important in certain states, they don’t go where they can’t get jobs and accomodations. Migrant laborers, which are the only kind of illegals I even see down here, they don’t settle, and they tend not to bring their families with them, because it’s been made clear that our voters care little about giving them the resources needed to stay here. We don’t even provide money to educate our own kids, so why the hell would we provide money to educate theirs.
The Mexican vote is only of consequence in a few states, and for 2008, the only state I could see us losing because of this is New Mexico, and as I said before, I think the potential gains outweigh the losses here. Look at the Kerry states where his support was not strong. These were all labor union states that send all those socially conservative labor Democrats to Congress. Alot of them will be receptive to us if we rip the national Democrats a new one over this. For the foreseeable future, all elections are going to be a patchwork of states, and rare will be the president who gets more than 300 EV. It’s just the way it’s going be until we have a political realignment.
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