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LONG KNIVES OUT AFTER BORDER BILL ("It wasn't the people's will. And they were heard.")
NY POST ^ | July 2, 2007 | ROBERT D. NOVAK

Posted on 07/02/2007 3:24:25 AM PDT by Liz

I asked one of the few conservative Republican senators who stuck with President Bush on immigration to assess how Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell handled the issue. Asking not to be quoted by name, he replied: "If this were a war, Sen. McConnell should be relieved of command for dereliction of duty." Not only did the minority leader end up voting against an immigration bill that he said was better than the 2006 version that he supported, but he also abandoned his post, keeping off the floor during final stages of Senate debate.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; blowbackfordubya; bordercrossers; congress; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; novak; p2p; robertnovak; sellouts; senatescoundrels; shamnesty; vampirebill
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To: Liz
Sounds a trifle naive, but, who knows? Perhaps that would work.

A better prospect, it seems to me, would be to exempt entirely the business-purposed movement of capital, if remitted from an N.A. bank.

The reason this specific situation is of enormous concern is that, if one is not VERY careful, one winds up with a de facto ''Tobin Tax'', so-called after the academic airhead (and, not coincidentally I'm sure, Nobel economics prize winner) who has advocated a worldwide tax on capital movement for decades. That such a tax will instantly lead to gigantic amounts of evasion on the part of corporations, far more sophisticated about capital usage than are governments (duh!), simply eludes him.

The net effect of a tax like this being implemented is to increase, very sizeably, the proportion of the economy that is or goes 'underground'. NOT a good idea at all.

Or, perhaps, one might only levy the tax on remittances under, say, $5000, which would surely nail all the illegal alien remittances out of the country. This type of limit, though, has a bad history. Sooner or later, the vermin in the Regress will keep raising and raising and raising the limit. Ultimately, although it would certainly take some few years, legitimate business capital movement would get caught up in this scheme, too.

101 posted on 07/02/2007 7:56:06 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: backhoe

Senator Sessions said something like that on the Senate floor. IIRC it was something like, when so many of our citizens don’t like what we’re doing on a bill, maybe we should listen.


102 posted on 07/02/2007 7:59:28 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Don't you worry, never fear, FDT will soon be here. http://www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Bryan24
Repeal the law extending citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil.

That would require a constitutional amendment. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" (14th Amendment).

103 posted on 07/02/2007 8:09:19 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Liz
I asked one of the few conservative Republican senators who stuck
with President Bush on immigration to assess how Senate Republican
Leader Mitch McConnell handled the issue.
Asking not to be quoted by name he replied:


Cluck, cluck, cluck!!!
That's one courageous supporter of "comprehensive immigration
reform" right there!
104 posted on 07/02/2007 8:19:30 AM PDT by VOA
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To: SE Mom

“When you can’t stun em with the FACTS- go for distortion.”

The cornerstone of the liberal/DemoRat/MSM ideology.


105 posted on 07/02/2007 9:15:16 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (The FREDeration is here.All your votes are belong to us.)
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To: PGalt

LOL!
Re Novak..How did such a big word come out of such a liiiitle teeny-weeeny brain?


106 posted on 07/02/2007 9:19:15 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (The FREDeration is here.All your votes are belong to us.)
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To: TomGuy
"The voters associated this push for amnesty for illegals with George W and the Republican leaders.

Whether by design or dumb luck, the amnesty bill, its initial defeat, the President reviving it, the Republicans pushing it, makes the Dems look better than the Pubbies."

The public sees that both parties are pandering to illegals. Right now there is no distinction being made as to which party is more responsible for the problem. I do believe the the republicans have the greatest ability to come out of this with a Reagan style majority if they will give up this notion that they must pander to a certain group.

If they will do what is best for America, enforce the current laws, build the allocated fence, and forget about amnesty for illegals, they can turn this political disaster around. The democrats, however, are backed into a corner. If they even think about doing what is right for the country, their base will be up in arms screaming. But those members of the democratic party who believe in American sovereignty, with justice and fairness for all, will leave their party in droves to vote for a pro sovereignty, anti amnesty Republican.

107 posted on 07/02/2007 9:53:46 AM PDT by Waryone (The Ted Kennedy wing of the Republican Party must be defeated!)
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To: Liz

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

108 posted on 07/02/2007 10:03:07 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: TomGuy
re: Recall that few Republicans during that time would even mention and certain not run on a platform regarding immigration.)))

I have come to believe that at least some of our 06 losses were deliberately engineered by the Republican National Committee--to provide a "Congress Bush Could Work With."

Imagine that--not only does Bush sell out America, he gets the party elites to sell out the party!!

109 posted on 07/02/2007 10:05:05 AM PDT by Mamzelle (We need a new, conservative chairman of the RNC first, because the elites are about to take revenge)
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To: PhiKapMom
re: I had posted an article on numerous threads I found on 18 June 2007 on KFI radio out of LA from 2004 about Rove withholding money from candidates that were against illegal immigration and amnesty and last night when a Freeper followed a link, the article was GONE!

!! If there was just a way to make those Repubs cheated out of their seats come forward about the RNC, we could see a change in leadership. Now, all we can do is withhold donations to the nat'l committee.

110 posted on 07/02/2007 10:08:09 AM PDT by Mamzelle (We need a new, conservative chairman of the RNC first, because the elites are about to take revenge)
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To: Liz
"This isn't a day to celebrate," McConnell said in his post-mortem, contradicting victory cheers by DeMint and Gingrich. Indeed, Republicans drove another nail in George W. Bush's political coffin and undermined hopes for the growing, winnable Hispanic vote.

A) Bush drove the nail in himself. He didn't need any help. Indeed, blaming conservative Republicans for Bush's political fallout is the same kind of inane logic that got the Republicans put into the minority in 06. It's always someone else's fault.

B) The [lunatic] idea that offically open borders and amnesty for 12 million illegals was somehow going to get Democrat hispanics to vote Republican is beyond bizzare. It is an indication of delusions so great that one has to doubt whether the proponents of such nonsense are even partially grounded in reality. It is so goofy that I can't even think of a suitable analogy.

111 posted on 07/02/2007 10:08:46 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Liz
I asked one of the few conservative Republican senators who stuck with President Bush on immigration...

I wonder which of the consevative Republicans who stuck with the president on this bill Novak spoke to. I thought only rino's voted for the illegals.

112 posted on 07/02/2007 10:10:02 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Diogenesis

Is Graham wearing mascara?

113 posted on 07/02/2007 10:12:23 AM PDT by bannie (Is the amnesty bill the REASON our Founding Fathers insured our RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS?)
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To: Mamzelle

The sitting President is the head of the party. The head of the RNC is his handpicked surrogate. There is no hope of anything at the RNC changing until and unless we elect a conservative Republican to the White House.


114 posted on 07/02/2007 10:12:49 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Liz
Novak is precisely the sort of inside-the-Beltway mouthpiece that has turned that entire subculture into one gigantic echo chamber. One sign that the occupants have grown out of touch with their constituents is the ease with which the Novaks convinced the Powers That Be that this bill was a good idea and that they could force it down the country's collective throat because gosh darn it, they just know what's best.

It's a good thing when career politicians are reminded who is really in charge in this country. The smart ones need only an occasional gentle reminder. The arrogant ones require a swift Size 14 inserted intrarectally. This issue of who's in charge very definitely did not end with the defeat of this lamentable piece of legislation. Certain members of the Ruling Class are going to be looking for work and one of mine will be one of them.

115 posted on 07/02/2007 10:14:04 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ChildOfThe60s; TommyDale; indylindy
The [lunatic] idea that offically open borders and amnesty for 12 million illegals was somehow going to get Democrat hispanics to vote Republican is beyond bizzare. It is an indication of delusions so great that one has to doubt whether the proponents of such nonsense are even partially grounded in reality. It is so goofy that I can't even think of a suitable analogy.

Amen---plenty agreement for that little number.

116 posted on 07/02/2007 10:16:53 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Billthedrill

N-i-c-e take.


117 posted on 07/02/2007 10:18:39 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Liz
"It is so goofy that I can't even think of a suitable analogy."

It is so goofy that I think it came from Ken Mehlman and Mel Martinez.

118 posted on 07/02/2007 10:19:08 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Then the leadership of the national committee should be undermined and repudiated by the party members—starting with the states’ GOP.


119 posted on 07/02/2007 10:19:11 AM PDT by Mamzelle (We need a new, conservative chairman of the RNC first, because the elites are about to take revenge)
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To: Diogenesis
Ouch!

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

120 posted on 07/02/2007 10:20:25 AM PDT by expatguy (No Longer a Luddite - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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