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'New Media' Tracks Win As Immigration Derails (MSM'ers Befuddled)
Buffalo News ^ | 07/02/07 6:56 AM | Douglas Turner

Posted on 07/02/2007 1:05:16 PM PDT by hardback

On the morning the immigration bill died — again — the ideological Washington Times exposed a supposed plot on Page One: A photo of Sen. Charles E. Schumer, the liberal Democrat from New York, conspiring with a Republican “traitor” from South Carolina, Sen. Lindsey Graham, to put something over on the American people.

In reality, they could have been checking a takeout menu. That Thursday morning, however, Schumer and Graham were in agreement that the Senate should keep talking and voting on revising laws on illegal immigration.

To the conservative media, Schumer and Graham symbolized the enemy. Hours later, the senators’ cause was lost. And the new

media — websites, e-mails, conservative talk radio and television — scored their most clearcut victory since the reelection of President George W. Bush in 2004.

This time the new media did it without strings being pulled by Karl Rove, President Bush’s top advisor. Rove deployed these same forces under the mainstream radar in the election. This time Rove, and his president, were on other side, trying to move legislation they hoped would build an Hispanic Republican voting bloc and give Bush a shining legacy.

The dividing line in the aftermath between the new conservative media and the traditional mainstream outlets couldn’t have been sharper. National Public Radio dolefully headlined Friday morning that Congress was under attack for failing to pass the immigration bill.

Right wing radio talk show hosts couldn’t have been happier. Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were exultant. Michael Savage told listeners on 400 stations that the defeat of the bill was the greatest moment of his life.

A CBS poll showed only 13 percent of those surveyed supported the effort that Bush, Schumer, Graham and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., were making.

If the poll is representative, then where were the other 87 percent getting their information, true or false, about the bill?

The pillars of the mainstream press, the New York Times and the Washington Post, covered the debate like a horse race, offering few details. Same for the networks. Cable news continued its obsession with murders and Paris Hilton.

The details were offered up daily by hundreds of cottage websites and conservative radio, talking to the heartland over the heads of insider mainstream reporters here and in Manhattan.

They were fed by analyses published by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and facts served up by Republicans like Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. The result jammed the Senate’s switchboards and fax machines. It clearly alarmed Establishment senators who supported the bill.

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., mocked the notion that a government that could not process passports for its citizens could investigate and document more than 12 million illegal immigrants, and secure the Southern border.

The “Terrorism Assistance and Facilitation Act of 2007,” is what Sessions called it, pointing to holes in border enforcement the bill didn’t plug.

Sessions and the new media were aided by a number of elements: 1) Bush wasted six years of Republican congresses and tried passing it with the help of Democrats who had no interest in giving him a legacy; 2) It was a deeply flawed bill; 3) There had been no hearings on the measure.

The stunning victory scored by new media in this episode raises a big question for the power structure: The lobbyists, the political Establishment and their friends in the mainstream press.

How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; msmdeathwatch; newmedia; sellouts; vampirebill
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1 posted on 07/02/2007 1:05:19 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback
...trying to move legislation they hoped would build an Hispanic Republican voting bloc...

Talk about your pipe dreams.

2 posted on 07/02/2007 1:08:49 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: hardback
Now is not the time to let up. We need to pressure our politicians to enforce the existing immigration laws including deporting illegal aliens, building the fence and prosecuting businesses who do business with illegal aliens. The link below is a ping list to pay attention for other questionable legislation being considered in Congress.

Keeping Track Of The Congress Critters
3 posted on 07/02/2007 1:09:32 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: theDentist

Pundits need to stop repeating this erroneous Rove hope as fact. Polls show most illegals are voting 70-30/80-20 Democratic


4 posted on 07/02/2007 1:12:03 PM PDT by hardback
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To: Man50D

We all need to hound our local pols to enforce the laws also. We need to attend their meetings and voice our opinions. Report zoning, employment, traffic. loitering, noise violations every time we see one. Call the cops and ice on suspected illegals and their employers. Let the mayors and councilman know that their jobs are on the line if they offer any type of excuses or sanctuary for illegals.


5 posted on 07/02/2007 1:16:28 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Man50D

Build that fence, Mr. Bush!


6 posted on 07/02/2007 1:16:51 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback
How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?

What an awful problem!!! (/s)

7 posted on 07/02/2007 1:20:02 PM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: hardback
The pillars of the mainstream press, the New York Times and the Washington Post, covered the debate like a horse race, offering few details.

What a shock.

If the readers of the New York Times were interested in interested in a critical, unflinching analysis of any actual issues, they wouldn't be reading the New York Times.

8 posted on 07/02/2007 1:20:06 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hardback

“the ideological Washington Times...” As if the Buffalo News isn’t an ideological, agenda-driven rag, and as if this writer was an empty slate with no opinions. What a load.


9 posted on 07/02/2007 1:21:07 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: hardback
Pundits need to stop repeating this erroneous Rove hope as fact. Polls show most illegals are voting 70-30/80-20 Democratic

Why does no one seem particularly concerned that illegals are voting at all? Every time an illegal vote is cast, some legal voter is disenfranchised.

10 posted on 07/02/2007 1:23:05 PM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: hardback

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Republican National Committee
310 First Street, SE Washington, D.C. 20003
phone: 202.863.8500 | fax: 202.863.8820 | e-mail: info@gop.com


11 posted on 07/02/2007 1:23:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Cracker Jack

I find it amusing that MSM pollers know where to find the illegals. Shouldn’t they report them in?


12 posted on 07/02/2007 1:24:54 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback
Yup. The idea of the illegals voting R is ludicrous. That’s like believing that an extra 200 galvanized pails would have kept the Titanic afloat.
13 posted on 07/02/2007 1:25:04 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: hardback
"...the ideological Washington Times..."

Ideological, indeed. If one does not agree with any of the empty suits in D.C. or the MSM "pretty boys and girls," one is "ideological" in their haughty eyes.

Thank God for "ideological" types in the Washington Times, talk radio and bloggesphere, lest that vermin would have pulled off one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American citizens, while referring to the great unwashed among us as "racists, bigots, anti-Hispanic, anti-immigrant, nativitists!"

14 posted on 07/02/2007 1:25:10 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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The true test of all the Senate is this. If parts of the failed immigration amnesty bill were so important, they will be introduced as separate items. Like “border security”, which in reality is like “social security”, a farce. “Guest” worker program. Guests are invited and know when to leave. Work place enforcement of existing laws. Enforce them like you implied you would the new laws you proposed.


15 posted on 07/02/2007 1:26:48 PM PDT by hophead
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To: hardback
To the conservative media, Schumer and Graham symbolized the enemy. Hours later, the senators’ cause was lost. And the new media — websites, e-mails, conservative talk radio and television — scored their most clearcut victory since the reelection of President George W. Bush in 2004.

Ummm, nope. Most clearcut victory since the defeat of Harriet Myers...

16 posted on 07/02/2007 1:27:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (The aggressor is always peace-loving;he would prefer to take over...unopposed.-Karl von Clauswitz)
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To: GOPJ

Well said.


17 posted on 07/02/2007 1:27:54 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

I’ll be willing to call the Washington Times ‘conservative media’ if you are willing to call yourselves ‘liberal media.’


18 posted on 07/02/2007 1:28:12 PM PDT by CT (http://www.imwithfred.com)
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And the new media — websites, e-mails, conservative talk radio and television — scored their most clearcut victory since the reelection of President George W. Bush in 2004.

YEA!!

19 posted on 07/02/2007 1:29:08 PM PDT by CAWats
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To: hardback
That does pose an interesting question.
I believe the answer is the candidates are going to have to suck it up, put their chips in red or black, and sit for in-depth and probative interviews of policy and positions with the “NEW Media”, and exactly the personalities they fear most, i.e., Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity, etc.

They need and fear at the same time these venues, and if they (serious candidates such as Obama and Clinton are going to have to show that there is something inside the suit or pantsuit, and be on the record for a change.

Same thing goes for the right or alleged to be right candidates.
Issues such as Immigration, Border Security Defense, Abortion, and fiscal policy, those same issues that is needed to be addressed by the left, NEEDS to be addressed and the position anchors need to be manacled to the legs of Romney, of Giuiliani and of Thompson; the only viable right side candidates.

On five or six consecutive Monday nights in prime time Brit Hume needs to sit with a candidate (drawn by lots) for one hour at a table and discusse in-depth, the positions and beliefs of a particular candidate. No handlers. No prompters. No bullshit! No spin!!! The interview becomes the touchstone and benchmark of the particular candidate and all else is spin.
No Chris Mathews spitballs. No Larry King Softballs, a la favorites color or what do you like on a hot dog. Just as Sgt.Joe Friday would say,.."Just the facts Mam. Just the facts!"

20 posted on 07/02/2007 1:30:01 PM PDT by Gideon T. Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American. PALESTINIANS: A proud history of mindless violence since 1964.)
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