[theDentist]

...trying to move legislation they hoped would build an Hispanic Republican voting bloc...

Talk about your pipe dreams.

[Man50D]

Now is not the time to let up. We need to pressure our politicians to enforce the existing immigration laws including deporting illegal aliens, building the fence and prosecuting businesses who do business with illegal aliens. The link below is a ping list to pay attention for other questionable legislation being considered in Congress.

Keeping Track Of The Congress Critters

[Cracker Jack]

How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?

What an awful problem!!! (/s)

[dead]

The pillars of the mainstream press, the New York Times and the Washington Post, covered the debate like a horse race, offering few details.

What a shock.

If the readers of the New York Times were interested in interested in a critical, unflinching analysis of any actual issues, they wouldn't be reading the New York Times.

[3AngelaD]

“the ideological Washington Times...” As if the Buffalo News isn’t an ideological, agenda-driven rag, and as if this writer was an empty slate with no opinions. What a load.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Republican National Committee
310 First Street, SE Washington, D.C. 20003
phone: 202.863.8500 | fax: 202.863.8820 | e-mail: info@gop.com

[zerosix]

"...the ideological Washington Times..."

Ideological, indeed. If one does not agree with any of the empty suits in D.C. or the MSM "pretty boys and girls," one is "ideological" in their haughty eyes.

Thank God for "ideological" types in the Washington Times, talk radio and bloggesphere, lest that vermin would have pulled off one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American citizens, while referring to the great unwashed among us as "racists, bigots, anti-Hispanic, anti-immigrant, nativitists!"

[hophead]

The true test of all the Senate is this. If parts of the failed immigration amnesty bill were so important, they will be introduced as separate items. Like “border security”, which in reality is like “social security”, a farce. “Guest” worker program. Guests are invited and know when to leave. Work place enforcement of existing laws. Enforce them like you implied you would the new laws you proposed.

[GOPJ]

To the conservative media, Schumer and Graham symbolized the enemy. Hours later, the senators’ cause was lost. And the new media — websites, e-mails, conservative talk radio and television — scored their most clearcut victory since the reelection of President George W. Bush in 2004.

Ummm, nope. Most clearcut victory since the defeat of Harriet Myers...

[CT]

I’ll be willing to call the Washington Times ‘conservative media’ if you are willing to call yourselves ‘liberal media.’

[CAWats]

And the new media — websites, e-mails, conservative talk radio and television — scored their most clearcut victory since the reelection of President George W. Bush in 2004.

YEA!!

[Gideon T. Reader]

That does pose an interesting question.
I believe the answer is the candidates are going to have to suck it up, put their chips in red or black, and sit for in-depth and probative interviews of policy and positions with the “NEW Media”, and exactly the personalities they fear most, i.e., Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity, etc.

They need and fear at the same time these venues, and if they (serious candidates such as Obama and Clinton are going to have to show that there is something inside the suit or pantsuit, and be on the record for a change.

Same thing goes for the right or alleged to be right candidates.
Issues such as Immigration, Border Security Defense, Abortion, and fiscal policy, those same issues that is needed to be addressed by the left, NEEDS to be addressed and the position anchors need to be manacled to the legs of Romney, of Giuiliani and of Thompson; the only viable right side candidates.

On five or six consecutive Monday nights in prime time Brit Hume needs to sit with a candidate (drawn by lots) for one hour at a table and discusse in-depth, the positions and beliefs of a particular candidate. No handlers. No prompters. No bullshit! No spin!!! The interview becomes the touchstone and benchmark of the particular candidate and all else is spin.
No Chris Mathews spitballs. No Larry King Softballs, a la favorites color or what do you like on a hot dog. Just as Sgt.Joe Friday would say,.."Just the facts Mam. Just the facts!"

[Vigilanteman]

the ideological Washington Times exposed a supposed plot

. . . as opposed to the completely unbiased Washington Post?

This time Rove, and his president, were on other side, trying to move legislation they hoped would build an Hispanic Republican voting bloc and give Bush a shining legacy.

Does anyone think Rove or Bush could possibly be that dumb when 98% of the illegal aliens to be welcomed in by the blanket amnesty fit the profile of the perfect democrat voter-- poor, uneducated and easily led? Something like 45% of Hispanics were also opposed to blanket amnesty and these are the Hispanics who the Republican Party should be reacing out to . . . not those who are likely to become wards of the state.

[Califelephant]

...How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?...

This dynamic will only accelerate with the passage of time. When smart people want details, they increasingly look for them online. The MSM spends too much effort “managing the message” and providing biased “analysis” to do the job they’re supposed to do, which is to give us the facts.

So if you want to know what’s really going on, you go to FreeRepublic, you go to the blogs like Real Clear Politics and NRO’s Corner, and you listen to talk radio.

[dirtboy]

If the poll is representative, then where were the other 87 percent getting their information, true or false, about the bill?

Talk about condescension - as if the other 87 percent is incapable of thinking from itself without direction from media outlets.

[Greg F]

How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?

You don't get the details at all in the mainstream media. They hit a story, devote 1/8th of a page or 30 seconds to it, and on they move.

[Freee-dame]

How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?

Getting out these details is the power of the new media. A new law in Maryland allows convicted felons to vote after serving their sentence, another liberal tribute to our new Gov, Mr. Wonderful. What the Balto Sun never mentions is that the previous governor, a Republican, actually restored voting right to those convicted of ONE felony, after serving their terms. The new law applies to repeat-conviction felons of any crime, including murder, rape, child-molestation, except voter fraud....and voter fraud doesn't seem to even be possible by Dems in Maryland.

I respect anyone his point of view, but it is too bad that the left can argue without all the facts on the table due to their stranglehold on the MSM. Talk radio and the internet are upsetting their ability to lie by omission and to spin the facts for the mostly ignorant (not stupid, just uninformed) public. The Dem party must have an uninformed public to stay in power.

[siunevada]

A CBS poll showed only 13 percent of those surveyed supported the effort that Bush, Schumer, Graham and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., were making.

I guess Mr. T couldn't bring himself to call the other 87% idiots.

the new media were aided by a number of elements:
2) It was a deeply flawed bill;
3) There had been no hearings on the measure.

Maybe that had something to do with it.

[Ouderkirk]

How are they going to manage the message in the presidential election, when more and more people out there are looking elsewhere for details?

You sir, and the rest of your compatriots in the lame stream media have sealed your fate by trying to "manage" the debate, trying to "manage" the terms of the debate, and "manage" the outcome of the debate.

We the people have had it with your political correctness, liberalism and unwillingness to admit the failures of your proscriptions.

We no longer need you and your ilk and we can seek news and opinions that reflect a greater truth, and opinions that are unvarnished with political spin.

[goldstategop]

The MSM is confounded because it has lost credibility. Americans see it as a Democrat shill. Throughout the battle over the amnesty bill, only the New Media leveled with the American people. And now they're more trusted than ever.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus