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Poll Analysis: Hillary would struggle to win; Those who know Thompson like him; Rudy most popular
Data from Mason Dixon via Yahoo! ^ | 7.2.07 | Dangus

Posted on 07/02/2007 1:30:14 PM PDT by dangus

Hillary Clinton's disapproval ratings (42%) are 50% higher than any other candidate. (The next highest are John Edwards and John McCain, each at 28%). 52% would not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstance.

That a majority would never vote for her does NOT mean she'd lose any contest. Half of Americans don't vote. Other surveys have found, for instance, that Fred Thompson would only tie her, at 42%. That means that 16% of the electorate might vote for Thompson. Or they could stay home. Or Thompson could even lose by a ratio of 48-42, with 10% of "likely voters" not actually voting. What it does mean (and it's good for Thompson) is that most of the 16% of the "undecideds" are at least open to voting for Thompson at this moment, while at most only a little over a third of them (6% of the total) are open to voting for Clinton. And even that number is reduced by the percentage of voters who like Clinton, but like Thompson more.

Rudy Giuliani captures the largest percentage of voters that COULD vote for him, 64%. But he wouldn't necessarily do better than Thompson. For all we know, many of the people who said they COULD vote for Giuliani are the same people who COULD vote for Hillary. And if those who could vote for either Clinton or Giuliani are more likely to vote for Hillary, the fact that they could have voted for Giuliani won't matter.

The same could be said about any other candidates, but there are two reasons that potential Giuliani admirers could be more likely to vote for Hillary than Thompson admirers, for instance. First, since Giuliani has more issues in common with Hillary, so it stands to reason he might have more potential voters in common. But we can't know determine that from the polls. However, we can determine that Giuliani is also only tied with Hillary in the polls is meaningful. And 40% of voters have no strong opinion about Giuliani, but 63% of voters don't have an opinion of Thompson. Therefore, Thompson has the opportunity to win over far more voters than Giuliani. On the other hand, more voters could have their impressions of Thompson more easily affected by negative news stories.

And, of course, the percentages of Americans who would not vote for Clinton, even if accurate, are not necessarily predictive. They could include sizeable numbers of Democrats who dislike Clinton, and are hoping that their answers in the survey will dissuade Democrats from nominating her, but who at the same time might hold their nose and vote for her.

Favorable/Unfavorable Ratings:
Giuliani: 43/17 (+26);
Obama: 36 /21 (+15);
Fred Thompson: 25/12 (+13);
McCain: 33/28 (+5);
Edwards: 32/28 (+4);
Romney: 24/20 (+4);
Richardson: 19/15 (+4);
Huckabee: 16 /12 (+4);
Bloomberg: 20/18 (+2);
Biden: 21/20 (+1);
Clinton: 39/42 (-3)

Would/Would Not ever vote for candidate:
Giuliani 64/36 (+28)
Fred Thompson 62/38 (+24)
Bloomberg 61/39 (+22)
Obama 60/40 (+20)
Edwards 59/41 (+18)
McCain 58/42 (+16)
Biden 57/43 (+14)
Richardson 57/43 (+14)
Huckabee 56/44 (+12)
Romney 54/46 (+8)
Clinton 48/52 (-4)

Mitt Romney's results from this poll also seem worth mentioning. While only 20% of voters find Romney unfavorable, 48% would never vote for him. What does it mean that the public would say of a candidate, "I don't dislike him, but I'd never vote for him"? Other candidates have percentages of people who would never vote for them which are significantly higher than their unfavorability ratings, but Romney's are much higher than candidates with similarity favorable/unfavorable ratings (Richardson, Huckabee, Biden, Bloomberg, etc.) The portion of voters who would never vote for him is almost too high to be explained merely by partisanship: Only 36% of voters would never vote for a Republican (specifically, Giuliani); at most 20% dislike Romney, and it's hard to imagine that these two statistics are terribly independent.

Lastly, Barrack Hussein Obama may not have the room for improvement that his approval:disapproval rating suggests. Unlike Thompson, the vast majority of voters have heard of him, but they simply lack a strong opinion of him, either way. Since the press coverage of him has been nearly universally positive, one might regard his "undecideds" as "unimpressed."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; 2008polls; clinton; edwards; electionpresident; fredthompson; giuliani; huckabee; obama; presidentelection; thompson
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1 posted on 07/02/2007 1:30:17 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

“hillary would struggle to win.” (????)

would someone please interpret that bit of data.


2 posted on 07/02/2007 1:32:42 PM PDT by ripley
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To: dangus

In other words, this poll really doesn’t tell us anything.


3 posted on 07/02/2007 1:34:29 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: dangus

The numbers don’t look good for The Beast... until you consider that she has the entire main stream media totally behind her, ready to work for her 24 hours a day once the campaign season gets into full swing.


4 posted on 07/02/2007 1:34:59 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: dangus

Yet another poll w/o Duncan Hunter.


5 posted on 07/02/2007 1:39:08 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Congressman with pyschotic supporters)
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To: pissant
Yet another poll w/o Duncan Hunter

It's like reverse push polling. Push everyone else BUT . . .

6 posted on 07/02/2007 1:42:17 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: dangus
That a majority would never vote for her does NOT mean she'd lose any contest. Half of Americans don't vote. Other surveys have found, for instance, that Fred Thompson would only tie her, at 42%. That means that 16% of the electorate might vote for Thompson. Or they could stay home. Or Thompson could even lose by a ratio of 48-42, with 10% of "likely voters" not actually voting.

So if Hillary DOES win, it means that the majority that would NOT vote for her would also be the majority of voters that WOULD vote for Fred but make up the highest ratio of the 50% of Americans who DON'T vote at all despite Fred's higher ratio of positive vs. negative percentages which have a direct correlation to how many monkeys it takes to peel 500 bananas on any given Tuesday given a constant environmental temperature of 25 Celsius?

Do I have that right?

7 posted on 07/02/2007 1:43:00 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: MEGoody
Dick Morris is not alway right on the issues it takes to win but knows the demographics. He says Hillary has to get 20 million people who normally do not vote to vote for her. This is in line with this poll that shows her high negatives.
8 posted on 07/02/2007 1:43:19 PM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: samtheman

“until you consider that she has the entire main stream media totally behind her”

The problem she’s got with that is that the more people see her and hear her the more they DON’T like her.


9 posted on 07/02/2007 1:43:37 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: pissant

The media acts like Hunter is not even in the race.
I get the feeling that the media is more afraid of Hunter than any other Republican candidate.


10 posted on 07/02/2007 1:45:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: samtheman

the males in the media will grin when Bill shows up to ‘spain Hillary,the females will drop to their knees


11 posted on 07/02/2007 1:45:36 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: EEDUDE

I know. I don’t really think she can win. It’s just that the media will go all out to destroy her opponents and boost her as much as they can, coddling her, giving her easy questions, worshiping her while trying to seem like they’re not doing that.

In the end I hope it makes the media look as ridiculous as it is, as ridiculous as she is.

But they will try. They will pull out all the stops. This is going to be like Putin running in Russia, except that she doesn’t get to kill as many people and we do have Fox News (as weak as it is, it’s still something).


12 posted on 07/02/2007 1:47:46 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: The Blitherer
A few weeks back, Rush explained the polling numbers for Mrs. Clinton like this:

Rush:...Then on the Drudge page today, Drudge links to a Camille Paglia column at Salon.com, and I love Camille Paglia as much as anybody does, I really do, but she makes the statement that Hillary makes Obama and Edwards look like shaky tyros. She doesn't make them look like shaky tyros, they are shaky tyros. She's not making them look like that. That's who these people are. But I thought everybody got this, and I think I'm going to have to spell this out. There's only one reason why the Breck Girl is a media star, and a couple reasons why Obama is a media star. But the real reason that they are media stars right now in terms of the Drive-By Media and are being pumped up is because they split the anti-Hillary vote, and the anti-Hillary vote, simple math, is much larger than the pro-Hillary vote.

Let me add it up for you. Hillary leads Obama 34-24. "Hooray for Hillary," goes the Drive-By Media, "look at that, she's leading Obama by ten points, why, that's fabulous. She can overcome obstacles." Hillary leads Edwards 34-10, "Hooray for Hillary, why, 24-point lead." Hillary even leads Algore who is not in the race 34-17, "Wow, look at Hillary Clinton, why, she's creaming all comers."

But if you take Algore and Obama and the Breck Girl out of this, Hillary would trail the not-Hillary-three 34-51. There's 51% of Democrat voters in these polls, if you add 'em up, who are not voting for Hillary. So of course these guys are tyros, and they're there to split the anti-Hillary vote, and that is how it's being made to appear in the Drive-By that she's just cleaning their clocks.But the dirty little secret here is look at the total vote, total polling data and you find that anybody but Hillary gets 51% of the Democrat votes and Hillary gets 34. This is called managing the news, and nobody does it better than Mrs. Clinton.
13 posted on 07/02/2007 2:00:02 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: pissant

Well it doesn’t have Ron Paul either. Might as well drop Huckabee if yer gonna cut out all the one per centers.


14 posted on 07/02/2007 2:02:24 PM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The media acts like Hunter is not even in the race.

Likewise, ESPN hardly mentions the Tampa Bay Devil Rays as a possible World Series Champion. They're just scared.

15 posted on 07/02/2007 2:04:57 PM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: dangus

Very intelligent analysis of the limitations and implications of this data.


16 posted on 07/02/2007 2:08:24 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: dangus
many of the people who said they COULD vote for Giuliani are the same people who COULD vote for Hillary. And if those who could vote for either Clinton or Giuliani are more likely to vote for Hillary, the fact that they could have voted for Giuliani won't matter.

I've always know that!

17 posted on 07/02/2007 2:08:47 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: pissant

Yet another poll w/o Duncan Hunter.


Or Tancredo, or Paul, etc. etc.

Pollsters don’t waste their time on the non-entities, and bottom tier candidates don’t get launched merely by being mentioned by pollsters.


18 posted on 07/02/2007 2:10:12 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: dangus

Bloomberg?......Biden??

Do some of us a favor.......please don’t post trash polls.


19 posted on 07/02/2007 2:16:26 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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