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Don't Be So Sure There Were No WMD in Iraq
The American Thinker ^ | July 3, 2007 | Rachel Neuwirth

Posted on 07/03/2007 5:39:57 AM PDT by Quilla

 Introduction

The references cited in this article strongly suggest that:

1. WMD did indeed exist inside Iraq before the war.

2. The weapons inspectors were both fooled and bribed to ignore evidence.

3. Massive amounts of WMD were removed to known locations in Syria just prior to the war.

4. Massive numbers of Saddam's audio tapes and paper documents were collected and most remain unavailable and presumably un-translated.

5. U.S. officials refused to investigate a number of likely WMD sites.

6. The U.S. intelligence community, and other branches of this government, are stonewalling the issue.
Readers are urged to review the references and decide for themselves.

Before America went to war to topple Saddam Hussein's regime it was widely believed that he possessed weapons of mass destruction. Today it is widely believed that there were no WMD in Iraq before the war. People of both political parties, the major media, and the intellectual community all appear in strong agreement on that point. Some even charge that the Bush Administration deliberately, and knowingly, misled the nation with false information as a pretext to justify going to war.

The Bush Administration is quietly acknowledging that they made a mistake, albeit not intentional. That admission seems to be the final confirmation that there were no WMD in Iraq. In police work when the accused confesses to making a mistake, it is then assumed that the accusation is true and people consider it to be ‘case closed'.

This widespread belief of no WMD in Iraq is seriously damaging our ability to deal with a growing nuclear threat from Iran. There are those who opposed our toppling mass murderer Saddam Hussein both in 1991 and again in 2003, even after he defied multiple U.N. resolutions and was generally believed to have WMD. Now the ‘peace at any price' crowd is exploiting the widespread belief of ‘no WMD' to undermine our war in Iraq. If we fail in Iraq it greatly weakens our ability to deal with Iran, which will become greatly emboldened and infinitely more dangerous as it eventually goes nuclear.

Opponents of military action to stop Iran claim that the mistake over Iraq means that we cannot trust any claim by the Bush Administration regarding Iran's growing nuclear threat. That logic may be faulty but it will further turn opinion against dealing with Iran, especially with those who are now sour on our war in Iraq - and that is currently a majority of Americans. The opponents of military action persistently argue for more ‘negotiations' as the only way to avoid a nuclear Iran even while Iran is clearly stalling for sufficient time to acquire the bomb.

It is therefore essential that the widespread belief of ‘no WMD in Iraq' be double-checked for accuracy. But how can average citizens, and other non-experts, really know the truth? Unfortunately, too many people refuse to reconsider an issue once their minds are made up. Reconsideration is essential and there is a way to deal with this question, at least indirectly. That way is to list critical unanswered questions and then demand that the proponents of ‘no WMD in Iraq' come up with credible answers. Those who adamantly insist that there were no WMD have a duty to answer the following questions or else admit their assertions remain unproven and conceivably wrong.

Obvious Question

Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and other Democrats, all saw the same intelligence back when Clinton was President and George Tenet headed the CIA. They all claimed Iraq had WMD which threatened America. If there really were no WMD, why are they not held equally accountable for misleading the American people? Shouldn't they be required to reveal the basis for their assertions? George Bush retained Clinton's CIA chief who reportedly assured Bush that it was a "slam dunk" that Saddam Hussein had WMD. Other intelligence services including those of NATO and Israel also believed there were WMD. Why don't the critics attempt to discover the evidence for those conclusions?

What was Saddam Hussein hiding with his elaborate schemes to frustrate the U.N. arms inspectors? Why would Saddam needlessly provoke the U.N. and the U.S. into going to war against him if he had nothing to hide? Why haven't the critics answered this question?

Shortly before the war, it was reported that U.S. satellites spotted truck convoys moving from Iraq to Syria at night. One possible explanation is that Saddam had WMD and removed them before the war. Various reports claim that the Russians helped move convoys and planeloads of materials from Iraq into Syria to at least three heavily guarded locations, identified, at least two years ago, by Debka.com and other news sources.

Inexplicably, there has been no effort to discover what was moved. If WMD were indeed removed in this manner, shouldn't we know it? If it turns out that WMD were removed then the war in Iraq becomes justified and the focus should then shift to Syria. If Saddam Hussein was not allowed to have WMD, why then is Syria, Iran's new ally, allowed to have possible WMD with no inspection? Is there unfinished business relative to Saddam's WMD? Is Syria now able to threaten Israel and U.S. forces in the region with chemical and biological weapons?

Where is Saddam's bio weapons expert known as Doctor Germ? What was her work? Saddam's chemical weapons expert known as "Chemical Ali" was recently sentenced to death. What was he doing prior to the war in 2003? Two of Saddam's sons-in law defected and testified about Saddam's WMD. They were spirited back by Saddam and then promptly killed. What did they reveal to U.S. authorities?

Libya's Colonel Khaddaffi gave up his WMD to the U.S. What weapons did the U.S. recover and ship back to America and who was working on these programs? Did Saddam Hussein sponsor the Libyan WMD program?

Early Reports

Seven months after the war began, an extensive report was published presenting a wealth of information on Iraqi WMD and containing 76 open source citations. It described how and what was hidden and how much of it was moved to Syria and Lebanon. It is ‘a must read'. The following paragraph is excerpted from that report.

"Now, it would be common to ask for the reason the Bush Administration has not revealed that WMDs are in Syria and/or Lebanon. According to Israeli intelligence sources, it is likely because exposure of that would lead to a domino effect where evidence would leak out that Iraq's programs had roles played by Egypt, Syria, Libya and Saudi Arabia. [plus the French, Germans and Russians] Such leaks will enflame the region and especially Iraq, and make things much harder, resulting in a more bloody and costly war and diminishing likelihood that other countries would send forces in.[71] Additionally, people would be skeptic, saying it was a lie so that the war-mongering neo-cons were trying to justify a new conquest. The other side would put enormous pressure to bring the war to Syria-a war we are not yet ready to fight."
Iraqi General Georges Sada

In another intelligence revelation, ex Iraqi General Georges Sada recently published his book, Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein. In it he explains how, just prior to the war, Saddam moved his WMD to Syria, with Russian help. Go to www.amazon.com and search for author Georges Sada. Click on picture of book, "Saddam's Secrets". Scroll down to read reviews.

Reviews from Publishers Weekly:

Reviewer 1: In General Sada's unique position, he was able to observe some of the worst of Saddam's behavior and trickery and confirms in this book not only the existence of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the extraordinary lengths that Saddam went to hide these weapons....

Reviewer 2: The author tells how Saddam managed to trick the world into believing he did not have weapons of mass destruction. He goes into detail how Saddam managed to hide all evidence of WMD's and how he managed to move all of them out of Iraq under the noses of the United Nations weapons inspectors. ....

Reviewer 3: Of particular note are tapes of more than 3,000 hours of Saddam Hussein meeting with his war cabinet and millions of pages of documents that contain vital information about Saddam's WMD program and plans for transporting the WMDs out of the country in order to dupe the weapons inspectors.... American and world citizens must demand that these tapes and documents be immediately released, translated, and analyzed in their entirety.
Intelligence Summit Meeting

Hundreds of security experts of diverse backgrounds convened on February 17, 2006 to evaluate Iraqi WMD. The organizers announced that translations of 12 hours of tapes of Saddam Hussein's cabinet meetings would be revealed at the meeting. In it Saddam would be heard talking about Iraq's WMD, its nuclear programs and how he fooled UN inspectors. Ten days before the meeting attendees received messages from inside the administration pressuring them not to attend. "However, these new tapes would have forced the intelligence community to admit that they misled President George W. Bush to state that Iraq had no WMD. Such admission, apparently, was something the intelligence community wanted to avoid by attempting to discredit this conference."

Captured Tapes and Documents

"Who'll Let the Docs Out? Bush wants to release the Saddam files but his [national] intelligence chief [John Negroponte] stalls. By Stephen F. Hayes" 03/20/2006, Volume 011, Issue 25 of the WeeklyStandard.com

Excerpts:

"On February 16, President George W. Bush assembled a small group of congressional Republicans for a briefing on Iraq." Representative Mike Pence said to President Bush, "There are 3,000 hours of Saddam tapes and millions of pages of other documents that we captured after the war. When will the American public get to see this information?"

"Bush replied that he wanted the documents released. He turned to [National Security Advisor Stephen] Hadley and asked for an update. Hadley explained that John Negroponte, Bush's Director of National Intelligence, "owns the documents" and that DNI lawyers were deciding how they might be handled.
.......
"Bush told Hadley to expedite the release of the Iraq documents. "This stuff ought to be out. Put this stuff out." The president would reiterate this point before the meeting adjourned. .....
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"Negroponte never got the message. Or he is choosing to ignore it. He has done nothing to expedite the exploitation of the documents. And he continues to block the growing congressional effort, led by [Rep. Pete] Hoekstra, [the Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee] to have the documents released.
‘I found Saddam's WMD bunkers'

Posted By Melanie Phillips On April 19, 2007 @ 9:26 am In Daily Mail |

A devastating expose of criminal incompetence and cover-up by the U.S. government. The first two paragraphs follow.

"It's a fair bet that you have never heard of a guy called Dave Gaubatz. It's also a fair bet that you think the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has found absolutely nothing, nada, zilch; and that therefore there never were any WMD programmers in Saddam's Iraq to justify the war ostensibly waged to protect the world from Saddam's use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons."

"Dave Gaubatz, however, says you could not be more wrong. Saddam's WMD did exist. He should know because he found the sites where he is certain they were stored. And the reason you don't know about this is that the American administration failed to act on his information, ‘lost' his classified reports and is now doing everything it can to prevent disclosure of the terrible fact that, through its own incompetence, it allowed Saddam's WMD to end up in the hands of the very terrorist states against whom it is so controversially at war."
Media Spin

Another problem with objectively appraising the danger of WMD is exemplified in a recent article  that originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times. The headline reads: "Scientist profits on fears of WMD. - Germ-weapons expert wins grants, federal contracts through his warnings of mass-casualty biological attack." Notice how the reader is immediately primed to be suspicious by the use of emotionally charged words such as "...profits on fears..."

The first paragraph reads,
"After helping to lead the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program, Ken Alibek defected to the United States and began warning about the threat of a mass-casualty biological attack. Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear of such weapons of mass destruction, landing federal contracts or grants totaling about $28 million."
The first sentence above acknowledges that Ken Alibeck had good reason to know about the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program and hence he has credibility. But then, as if to immediately undermine his credibility, there follows the insinuation that, ..." Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear ..." This implies a selfish, if not a sinister, motivation. And in support of this insinuation we are told that his company received government contracts or grants, as if that alone was evidence of wrongdoing.

If the LA Times has any proof of wrongdoing by Alibeck let them produce the evidence. Instead, this news implies an accusation without actually making a charge that could expose them to be prosecuted for libel. Honest reporting would require a clear separation between presenting hard facts and offering editorial opinion. Their blatant failure to observe journalistic ethics raises the question of an agenda on the part of the LA Times.

Too may people are imposing their biases and opinions on the WMD issue which makes it much harder to get the full truth and to defend against a future attack.


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Excellent synopsis.
1 posted on 07/03/2007 5:39:59 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla

Truth be known, the truth cannot and will never be told about the wmd’s. We know the wmd’s were there, so where are the wmd’s now?


2 posted on 07/03/2007 5:47:36 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Quilla
Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and other Democrats, all saw the same intelligence back when Clinton was President and George Tenet headed the CIA. They all claimed Iraq had WMD which threatened America. If there really were no WMD, why are they not held equally accountable for misleading the American people?

I actually have had several moonbats answer this for me. Their response is
"They didn't invade/start a war/etc".

The democrats making the same assertions are held blameless because....
They were too GUTLESS to do anything about it. That's the answer.

3 posted on 07/03/2007 5:52:01 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Quilla

It would not surprise me that there is general agreement amongst the highest level of the gubermint, both parties, that the real answer would scare the bejeebus out of the world and therefore must remain a deepest, darkest secret. It probably has something to do with international blackmail and sets of missiles retargeted in a kind of doomsday scenario. Only explanation that fits.


4 posted on 07/03/2007 5:52:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Quilla

I still maintain that WMD’s were moved to Syria and are still there. FGS the History Channel had night vision photos of a massive amount of trucks moving from Iraq to Syria before the war broke out. Haven’t been able to source that footage since then. They also had photos of the underground labs.


5 posted on 07/03/2007 5:53:01 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Quilla

3. Massive amounts of WMD were removed to known locations in Syria just prior to the war.

Does anyone remember seeing the satellite footage of the caravans of Iraqi military vehicles heading to Syria which was shown in the weeks before we went to war in Iraq? The muteness of the Bush administration from the time this criticism started is frustrating.


6 posted on 07/03/2007 5:53:25 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Quilla

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983.” - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons...” - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force— if necessary— to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


7 posted on 07/03/2007 5:54:21 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Quilla

Bookmarked


8 posted on 07/03/2007 5:56:47 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Quilla

the reason this all remains a mystery is George Bush. He is dense when it comes to rallying the public to this cause. There is no explanation of the convoys headed to Syria, or any other odd circumstances in Iraq. Additionally, there was no leadership in the Senate. Why weren’t there hearings? The drive-bys have gelded the President and the Senate Republicans.


9 posted on 07/03/2007 5:58:57 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: NonValueAdded
We've been through this already:

1) Iraq had WMD's.

2) Putin helped Saddam remove them to Syria before the invasion.

3) Bush took the "No WMD's in Iraq" domestic political hit to defend Putin's image, fearing the consequences of having the Russian nuclear arsenal fall into the hands of a Zhirinovsky-type fascist would be much worse.

4) No one thinks Syria is dumb enough to use Iraq's WMD's (mostly chemical warheads) in any way - but having them makes Bashar Assad feel like a "player", so everyone has agreed to leave him to his delusions.

10 posted on 07/03/2007 6:02:25 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Quilla

Hell, yes!!!

Why do you think the Iraqis and their allies here and in Europe kept stalling and demanding revisions of UN resolutions?

“It’s on the wrong size paper!”

“It wasn’t properly reviewed!”

“We need another procedural vote!”

What do you think they were doing? BUYING TIME!!!!
And don’t give me this garbage about how the Iraqis and Syrians or whomever “don’t like each other”, so they wouldn’t send any weapons there. Doesn’t anybody realize that the expression “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” originated in the middle east?

This topic sets me off every time it comes up. People, especially the “press”, are just so damn stupid.


11 posted on 07/03/2007 6:02:27 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: From One - Many
Truth be known, the truth cannot and will never be told about the wmd’s.

Yes because in reality they've been transported over the past four years to Area 51. WMDs will go for the betterment of mankind to help fuel the alien's spacecraft so they can return one day with medicines allowing us to live fantastically long lives....

Give it a rest. They weren't there. The intelligence was bad. They haven't been found, they're not buried in car garages, and they weren't all transported to Syria in 'secret' truck convoys. When all else fails the simplest answer is the correct one. Not found, not there.

"Dave Gaubatz, however, says you could not be more wrong. Saddam's WMD did exist. He should know because he found the sites where he is certain they were stored. And the reason you don't know about this is that the American administration failed to act on his information, ‘lost' his classified reports and is now doing everything it can to prevent disclosure of the terrible fact that, through its own incompetence, it allowed Saddam's WMD to end up in the hands of the very terrorist states against whom it is so controversially at war."

I bet Dave believes in little green men too.

12 posted on 07/03/2007 6:02:33 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Bluebird Singing; Bold strike

Does anyone remember Rummy saying that as soon as we said we knew where they were, they would be moved?


13 posted on 07/03/2007 6:03:03 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: chaosagent

Another great article worth a bookmark:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21448


14 posted on 07/03/2007 6:05:27 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: From One - Many

ping


15 posted on 07/03/2007 6:05:40 AM PDT by phs3 (If you call a terrorist a freedom fighter, I call you the enemy.)
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To: billbears; From One - Many

I can tell you that both of you are in for a rude awakening.


16 posted on 07/03/2007 6:06:55 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: From One - Many; sarasota
From my files:

On June 9th [2004], the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"

Source

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."

Source

"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."

Source

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

Source

"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."

Source

"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and techinical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."

Source

17 posted on 07/03/2007 6:07:58 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Quilla

I’m certain that there WERE WMD in Iraq. And instead of being so eager to show-off Saddam Hussein being captured in his spider hole on live TV, it might have made more sense to rendition him elsewhere and waterboard him until he told the truth about where he sent ‘em.

He could always have been “captured” later on “live” TV, with no impact to the final outcome.

My bet is he sent them to Syria.


18 posted on 07/03/2007 6:09:24 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: READINABLUESTATE

self ping


19 posted on 07/03/2007 6:12:59 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("life is dangerous")
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To: ravingnutter
Thank you. Just in case you missed this one: What Charles Duelfer Missed
20 posted on 07/03/2007 6:15:01 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: MacDorcha
Oh yes because that report on WMDs is coming right out isn't it? Oh sorry that report was due 3-4 years ago. Well sounds about right for government work....But we've got another 'report' due in September (well unless it's bad news and then it will be put off like the last one). Tell us where will this 'news' be broken? WorldNutDaily? Frontpage? Debka?

I bet it will be another 'insider' like Dave Gaubatz? If the government hadn't taken all his coloring books he would have the 'evidence' to show us? Or even better, you're the insider and you can't let us know until you 'break' the 'news' in the Weakly Standard. Seriously I'll be waiting on pins and needles for new data to just come streaming out.....well not really, sitting on pins and needles for the next 30 years would hurt....Seriously you WMD believers are as ardent as the UFO believers. Hmmmmm, three letters in each (WMD,UFO). Coincidence? I think not.....

Sorry no sale Mac. I heard that rude awakening line for almost two years after the incursion

21 posted on 07/03/2007 6:18:34 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

And yet, have you set foot in Iraq yourself?

Trust one who has- YOU ARE WRONG.


22 posted on 07/03/2007 6:20:04 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: billbears
so there weren't any?
idiots are born every day....
Dead people amoung the Kurds, who were attacked by wmd's is bad intelligence?
you are missing something.....
23 posted on 07/03/2007 6:21:08 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: phs3

thanks


24 posted on 07/03/2007 6:22:05 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Bluebird Singing
Does anyone remember seeing the satellite footage of the caravans of Iraqi military vehicles heading to Syria which was shown in the weeks before we went to war in Iraq?

I remember seeing it. I remember jumping up and down in my family room saying that we had better hurry in the invasion, stop procrastinating and start bombing those convoys. We never did. Funny, I haven't been able to find that footage anywhere since then.

25 posted on 07/03/2007 6:24:40 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: From One - Many; MacDorcha
Dead people amoung the Kurds, who were attacked by wmd's is bad intelligence? you are missing something...

At no point did I say they never had them, but as evidence has shown they apparently had them no more. The Kurds will killed in the 1980s. But Mac and his flying car that he got from the aliens are going to prove me wrong it seems. As I said, I'll be waiting for that breaking report from Crazy Joe and the 'fine' staff over at WND (hey look another one!! WND, UFO, WMD that's just too weird....)

And then of course I'll expect to see it on Fox in between the missing reports in Aruba...unless Fox is really against 'us' too then we'll never know. Man I never realized how much 'conservatives' love a conspiracy....

26 posted on 07/03/2007 6:26:39 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: MacDorcha

I’m one who knows the wmd’s are out there, but where, I don’t know? I’m awake, thank you, but I agree many a rude awakening is about to take place.


27 posted on 07/03/2007 6:27:03 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: billbears
make up your mind....
and do you think only enough wmd's were made for the attack on the Kurds?
if so, you are missing more than I thought.
28 posted on 07/03/2007 6:28:24 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: billbears

Lets be honest here-

You have never been to Iraq and you have no form of military security clearance, do you?

Answer me that question with anything but “no, I have never been” and I will know you are a liar.


29 posted on 07/03/2007 6:28:58 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: Quilla
“Some even charge that the Bush Administration deliberately, and knowingly, misled the nation with false information as a pretext to justify going to war.”

LMAO... some??!!!

Half the Dhimmicrat party and all of the DBM have been saying this for years!

30 posted on 07/03/2007 6:29:45 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: billbears

“But Mac and his flying car that he got from the aliens are going to prove me wrong it seems”

You, sir, are engaging in slander!


31 posted on 07/03/2007 6:31:16 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: From One - Many
We know the wmd’s were there, so where are the wmd’s now?

They will show up in a town near you.

32 posted on 07/03/2007 6:32:02 AM PDT by Edgerunner (If leftists don't like it, I do. Keep your powder dry...)
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To: Edgerunner

of this I hope and pray doesn’t happen, but perhaps you will be the one who winds up being correct. We know the wmd’s are out there.


33 posted on 07/03/2007 6:32:56 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: ravingnutter

Excellent source; most informative. Thanks.


34 posted on 07/03/2007 6:35:40 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Quilla

Saddam Hussein WAS a WMD.


35 posted on 07/03/2007 6:36:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: sarasota

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36 posted on 07/03/2007 6:37:27 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com / Script Frenzy 2007 - WINNER!!!)
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To: billbears

I’m still waiting for your answer- have you ever served in Iraq since the outbreak of the war?

My turn to wait on pins and needles.


37 posted on 07/03/2007 6:38:06 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: jveritas

How many documents have been released?


38 posted on 07/03/2007 6:38:20 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: Fairview

I even wrote to the History Channel but never received an answer. Is that where you saw it?


39 posted on 07/03/2007 6:39:06 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: ravingnutter

thank you, my apology to you... I was caught up in the moment....your sources are the most believable on the planet. Our drive-by media is nothing more than a joke. Thanks Again.


40 posted on 07/03/2007 6:39:53 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: sarasota
I still maintain that WMD’s were moved to Syria and are still there.

That's as silly as suggesting that Saddam would fly his Air Force to Iran.

41 posted on 07/03/2007 6:42:12 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Bluebird Singing
Does anyone remember seeing the satellite footage of the caravans of Iraqi military vehicles heading to Syria which was shown in the weeks before we went to war in Iraq?

Yes. I remember seeing a sat photo of a convoy prior to the invasion said to contain 1400 trucks heading across the desert of western Iraq towards Syria. Unfortunately, I didn't save the photo at the time. A couple of years later when all the "Bush lied - No WMD" arguments started flying I was arguing with a Liberal neighbor of mine on this very subject. I searched trying to find a copy of that photo to shut up that Liberal neighbor, but a lengthy Google search turned up nothing.

I think Saddam's WMD's were real and he had lots of them. They were trucked to Syria with the help of the Russians and the US Military knows it. I suspect that the reason this hasn't been made widely public has to do with not wanting to embarass the Russians. I would also suspect that we have spooks in country keeping an eye on things, as well as a satelite parked over Syria. Then again, what better place to store some of the nastiest stuff on earth than old Bashar's back yard?

42 posted on 07/03/2007 6:43:31 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Made in China: Treat those three words like a warning label)
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To: sarasota
I even wrote to the History Channel but never received an answer. Is that where you saw it?

Couldn't have been, since I don't have cable. It was probably on Fox. Of course I realized at the time that they couldn't bomb a convoy they suspected of being full of WMD not knowing how the WMD would disseminate or redetonate. Still, that didn't stop me from shouting for them to do something to stop it.

43 posted on 07/03/2007 6:52:37 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Quilla; jveritas; ikez78

Thanks for posting; pings.


44 posted on 07/03/2007 6:55:36 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Polybius

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the link.


45 posted on 07/03/2007 6:58:23 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: billbears

So in other words Bill, you’re saying that all the intelligence agencies (U.S., NATO, French, etc.) were WRONG, and the MoveOn.Org, Code Pink, ANSWER-freaks, anti-American leftists the world over plus the UK’s George Galloway (not to mention Saddam himself) were RIGHT?

OOOO-kay.


46 posted on 07/03/2007 7:05:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: sarasota
They also had photos of the underground labs

Yea. What the heck happened to the "complex maze of underground tunnels, labs and bunkers"? I thought that an amazing documentary would have been made by now taking us on a long tour of the complete underground world of Saddam Hussein. What was suggested was that Saddam burrowed underground tunnels like a groundhog. What if Saddam created tunnels from Iraq into Syria? I mean, look at how many tunnels have been created from Mexico into the U.S. Does anyone really think that a man who probably made an underground city under Iraq wouldn't have created a few escape tunnels into neighboring countries?
47 posted on 07/03/2007 7:06:36 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: dfwgator
Saddam Hussein WAS a WMD.

Yes he was.


48 posted on 07/03/2007 7:06:49 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla

Ping for reference WMD’s


49 posted on 07/03/2007 7:09:35 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: sarasota; Bluebird Singing

I distinctly remember seeing the footage you’re referring to. I’ve always felt that the whole world KNEW the WMDs did exist, but to admit it would not discredit the president; therefore, it’s easier to claim Bush lied.


50 posted on 07/03/2007 7:14:50 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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