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Being 'nice' doesn't stop terrorism
Toronto Sun ^ | 2007-07-04 | Lorrie Goldstein (editorial page)

Posted on 7/4/2007, 1:43:15 PM by Clive

So much for the Hippocratic oath.

The fact that police say several doctors were involved in an alleged terrorist ring that set off a car bomb at Scotland's Glasgow Airport and tried but failed to do so a few days earlier in London should tell us something.

Not simply that, if the allegations are true, these "doctors" broke their profession's most important promise -- to "do no harm."

But also that we must abandon the naive idea that all terrorists are driven by poverty and despair to lash out at those they see as oppressors of the Islamic world.

Going back to 9/11, it has become obvious that many terrorists are not "driven" to murderous rage because they or their fellow Muslims have been marginalized or ostracized by society.

Rather, many make a conscious decision to attack societies that have in fact welcomed them.

Indeed, not all terrorists grow up in poverty and despair in the Gaza strip or West Bank.

Many live extremely comfortable lives before choosing to become terrorists.

Understanding this is important because it means that fighting terrorism and addressing its so-called "root causes" are in fact two distinct issues.

We cannot fight terrorism effectively if we do it half-heartedly, or apologetically, or ridden with guilt because we naively accept Islamist propaganda that none of this would be happening if the Palestinians had their own state, or if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq.

Osama bin Laden didn't need the Iraq war to carry out 9/11, which was the culmination of years of increasingly brazen terrorist attacks against U.S. targets.

Those who claim we can fight terrorism by not offending radical Islamists are living in a dream world.

Radical Islamists are "offended" to the point of murdering civilians by everything from cartoons to equal rights for women. They cannot be "reasoned" with.

The creation of a Palestinian state and alleviating the poverty and despair that afflicts so much of the Islamic world are worthy goals in and of themselves that the West should pursue.

But believing such initiatives will stop terrorism dead in its tracks, is just dead wrong.


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1 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:43:17 PM by Clive
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2 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:44:14 PM by Clive
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To: Clive
But also that we must abandon the naive idea that all terrorists are driven by poverty and despair to lash out at those they see as oppressors of the Islamic world.
Can't abandon an idea I never had. Not once. Not for an instant. Not ever. Not in my entire life.

(I guess they're talking to the Morons [Liberals] amongst us.)

3 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:46:47 PM by samtheman
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To: Clive

In fact, just being “nice” doesn’t stop a lot of things! Also, there are already too many on the “left” all over the world who are frequently angry and mean in general. Happy Fourth of July!


4 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:48:53 PM by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Clive
Good article. Except I believe appeasing Islamofascists with any bribe is the wrong answer. You do not negotiate with killers. You liquidate them before they take innocent lives. End of story.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:50:12 PM by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clive
Not simply that, if the allegations are true, these "doctors" broke their profession's most important promise -- to "do no harm."

They kept their allegiance to the Islamic concept known as Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism

Understanding this is important because it means that fighting terrorism and addressing its so-called "root causes" are in fact two distinct issues.

The article below reveals the root cause.

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
6 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:50:44 PM by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Clive

Its 2007, “Poverty and Ignorance tm” does not cause terrorism is “news”? Some people are waaay behind the curve. Ah well, I’m just hoping in another decade or so they’ll figure out that the “Religion of Peace tm” causes terrorism.


7 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:52:03 PM by rageaholic
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To: goldstategop
The golden rule and walk the extra mile dosen’t work with these birds. Their idea of peace is one world under Mohamed, which is laughable, because Muslims kill more Muslims that anybody else.
8 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:55:08 PM by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: Clive

The only way to stop terrorists is by bringing extreme violence upon them until they are no more. Seemingly this is all that they understand, so let us give it to them without remorse.


9 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:55:10 PM by Kolb
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To: Clive

*****Those who claim we can fight terrorism by not offending radical Islamists are living in a dream world.***

The new Prime Minister of Britain is living in a dream world.

He’s banned the phrase “War on Terrorism” and he’s banned any use of “moslem” in connection with terrorism.

Good bye Britain.


10 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:57:13 PM by Basheva
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To: Kolb
The only way to stop terrorists is by bringing extreme violence upon them until they are no more. Seemingly this is all that they understand, so let us give it to them without remorse.

Try explaining that to Hillary, when she's president and talking about how it takes an african village to raise American children.

11 posted on 7/4/2007, 1:57:45 PM by rageaholic
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To: Clive
I wonder how many infidel children they’ve harmed in their practice.

Car bombs are one thing, but did they or can their lab buddies let loose some scary viruses? How many are plotting in the US? We don’t know because we can’t even be bothered to secure the borders or kick them out when their visas expire.

12 posted on 7/4/2007, 2:00:40 PM by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: samtheman
we must abandon the naive idea that all terrorists are driven by poverty and despair

It takes money, and lots of it, to carry out these acts of murder.

13 posted on 7/4/2007, 2:02:25 PM by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Clive
It would be nice to see some U.S. newspapers write such a clear editorial about the dangers of misunderstanding the motivations of these terrorists.

It's clearly not a matter of poverty or class that's motivating all too many of these evil-doers.

14 posted on 7/4/2007, 2:40:53 PM by snowsislander
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15 posted on 7/4/2007, 2:49:11 PM by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Clive

These “doctors” may have had medical degrees but they cared not a whit about the Hippocratic Oath...that’s a western value. Instead their lives are driven by religious fanaticism that will cause them to slaughter innocent men, women and children to creat their perfect fascist theocracy.


16 posted on 7/4/2007, 2:56:15 PM by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Man50D
From that good article you linked to: "small worldwide Muslim reform movement"

Mark Steyn points out that when westerners talk of "reforming Islam" they think that will end up with a more understanding, peaceful Islam. But "reform" is what's happening now. The Jihad IS the reform. It's not reform we want here.

17 posted on 7/4/2007, 4:04:31 PM by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: Clive

Unfortunately, even if Palestine comes into existence...financed and built from soup to nuts with US dollars and manpower, (which the Palestinian lobby has demanded), they won’t make it work. They’re barbarians.


18 posted on 7/4/2007, 4:10:26 PM by hershey
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To: Clive
Being 'nice' doesn't stop terrorism

Exactly. That's what the liberals don't get. You can't negociate with people who want to kill you. There've been stories of diplomats who go to meetings with the terrorists, who nominally agreed to it, but when they get there the terrorists behead them or find some way to kill them. The only way to stop terrorism is to stop the terrorists. And the only way to stop the terrorists is to get rid of them.
19 posted on 7/4/2007, 4:43:56 PM by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: goldstategop

That is why no Dem, leftist socialist pacifist should be allowed to run this nation. Can you imagine the Dems ever standing up against Islamofascism? Never. They think poor Bush is the enemy.


20 posted on 7/4/2007, 6:26:19 PM by phillyfanatic ( w)
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