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Fed up with war, some won't pay taxes
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Posted on 07/04/2007 1:04:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Fed up with war, some won't pay taxes

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN, Associated Press Writer 43 minutes ago

When the United States invaded Iraq more than four years ago, war opponent David Gross asked his bosses for a radical pay cut, enough so he wouldn't have to pay taxes to support the war.

"I was having a hard time looking at myself in the mirror," Gross said. "I knew the bombs falling were in part paid with my tax dollars. I had to actually do something concrete to remove my complicity."

The San Francisco technical writer was making close to $100,000 a year. He didn't know exactly how big of a pay cut he would need to fall below the federal tax threshold, but later figured out he would have to make less than minimum wage.

In any event, his employer turned him down and he quit. Gross, 38, now works on a contract basis, and last year he refused to pay self-employment taxes.

War tax resistance, popularized by Henry David Thoreau in the 19th century and by singer Joan Baez and others during the Vietnam War, is gaining renewed interest among peace activists upset over the Iraq war.

"Clearly this year we definitely had more people calling, sending e-mails about how they decided to start resisting," said Ruth Benn, coordinator of the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee in New York.

Based on the committee's mailing list and reports from numerous groups it works with around the country, Benn estimates 8,000 to 10,000 Americans refuse to pay some or all of their federal taxes over war objections.

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1 posted on 07/04/2007 1:04:47 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

i wonder hust how quick they would start paying those taxes if the terrorist struck close to them?

Meadow Muffin


2 posted on 07/04/2007 1:07:03 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: Sub-Driver
"I had to actually do something concrete to remove my complicity."

How about moving to France like you eggheads were promising to do when Bush was elected in 2000 and 2004?

3 posted on 07/04/2007 1:07:08 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“The San Francisco technical writer was making close to $100,000 a year. He didn’t know exactly how big of a pay cut he would need to fall below the federal tax threshold, but later figured out he would have to make less than minimum wage. In any event, his employer turned him down and he quit. Gross, 38, now works on a contract basis, and last year he refused to pay self-employment taxes.”

Good. Another six-figure job opening for a patriotic, right-thinking conservative.


4 posted on 07/04/2007 1:08:58 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security. Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: Sub-Driver

Dumb Bastard. Can I use the same argument, “Fed up with bloated governemnt spending, VP will not pay taxes”


5 posted on 07/04/2007 1:09:21 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Sub-Driver

Now wait a sec. If I don’t pay taxes because I disagree with everything Congress is doing I get my butt thrown in jail. How the hell is this legal?


6 posted on 07/04/2007 1:10:21 PM PDT by TheZMan (That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends...)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
well said.

but, about that tagline: I think it's more accurately translated "wrinkled dog day."

7 posted on 07/04/2007 1:10:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Life is an episode of Green Acres. THEN you die.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hmmmmm....tax refuseniks. That would be an odd meeting—you’d have representatives of both the far left and far right present.


8 posted on 07/04/2007 1:10:34 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I wish I could stop funding the DNC propaganda machine...PBS/NPR


9 posted on 07/04/2007 1:11:22 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If your convicted of not paying taxes. That means you cant vote right?


10 posted on 07/04/2007 1:11:32 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sub-Driver

Typical liberal idiot. He doesn’t pay self-employment (aka Social Security) taxes, meaning he really doesn’t support SSI and welfare payments. War will keep going on, whether he “supports” it or not. They’ll charge it on his “national credit card of the future”...

I would hate to read the manuals this technical writer writes.


11 posted on 07/04/2007 1:11:41 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, with all this publicity the pitbulls of the IRS can’t be too far behind.


12 posted on 07/04/2007 1:11:47 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Sub-Driver

Fine, more leftist socialists in jail for tax evasion. Screw these people.


13 posted on 07/04/2007 1:14:25 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: Sub-Driver
Hey, I didn’t want to pay taxes when Clinton was the President. Now me and these leftie buttwipes are even.
14 posted on 07/04/2007 1:16:33 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Sub-Driver
I wonder how he's feel if I refused to pay taxes becasue of his pet programs like health care for illegals, welfare, needle exchange, AIDS research, and SS.

What a putz

15 posted on 07/04/2007 1:16:38 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (We'll stay out of your bedrooms, if you stay out of our children's classrooms.)
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To: TheZMan

Your motives for not paying taxes are completely irrelevant. The act itself is what will land you in prison. PERIOD. As so many of these “tax protestor” morons have found out.


16 posted on 07/04/2007 1:17:42 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: Sub-Driver

Translation via LIBERAL-SPEAK truth enhancers:

“When the United States invaded Iraq more than four years ago, war opponent David Gross///was so verbal about his opposition to the war (and his BDS in general) that he was FIRED! Now he works as a contractor and pays his taxes, but tells liberal writers that he refuses to pay for a war he disagrees with.

Estimates are that 8000 to 10,000 liberals make grandiose claim they are not paying taxes to other liberals...but fear prison, so they always pay taxes on time and in secret.

Conclusion, what liberals say and what they do are two different things. Liberals LIE all the time!


17 posted on 07/04/2007 1:20:32 PM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: Sub-Driver

Fed up with socialism, some won’t pay taxes.

Fed up with Unconstitutional Federal regulation, some won’t pay taxes.

Fed up with corrupt, insincere enforcement of border security, some won’t pay taxes.

Taxation forces you to pay for that which you abhor. So why does the Left want to increase taxes?


18 posted on 07/04/2007 1:20:41 PM PDT by sourcery (Anthropogenic Global Warming: A convenient lie designed to establish socialism by fear and deception)
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To: stm

“Fine, more leftist socialists in jail for tax evasion. Screw these people.”

Hope it becomes a mass movement for them. More jobs for the prison industry.


19 posted on 07/04/2007 1:22:43 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: rwgal

They wouldn’t.
They’d simply say “we deserve what happened.’
Weiners.


20 posted on 07/04/2007 1:29:44 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Commie ‘RATS are always looking for some excuse to NOT pay taxes (their “fair share”). They ALWAYS want someone else to do it. I guess the war against the Islamofascists is as good an excuse as any.


21 posted on 07/04/2007 1:31:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer
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To: Sub-Driver

I would bet that 90% of the people that want to avoid taxes out of spite for the war in Iraq are already among the 50% of Americans that pay little or no income tax. Perhaps they can be coaxed into protesting by giving up their “earned” income credit!


22 posted on 07/04/2007 1:31:33 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Good for them, now let’s have the IRS Storm Troopers break down their doors, shoot to kill if they resist and sell their property to recoop unpaid taxes.


23 posted on 07/04/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
If your convicted of not paying taxes. That means you cant vote right?

That's OK - if you're a liberal, an illegal alien will be appointed (through motor voter) to vote in your place.

Or a corpse, a cartoon, a dog, or a cat.

24 posted on 07/04/2007 1:33:46 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Since The Democrat State of San Francisco is no longer a part of the United States why are they paying taxes anyway and why are we sending tax dollars there to keep them up?


25 posted on 07/04/2007 1:36:39 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: nj26
“The San Francisco technical writer was making close to $100,000 a year. He didn’t know exactly how big of a pay cut he would need to fall below the federal tax threshold, but later figured out he would have to make less than minimum wage. In any event, his employer turned him down and he quit. Gross, 38, now works on a contract basis, and last year he refused to pay self-employment taxes.”

...And then, to top it off, let's his name and circumstances get splashed all over the national news.

26 posted on 07/04/2007 1:38:27 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Sub-Driver
Fed up with war, some won't pay taxes

Fine, go to jail then. We don't care. We could do with fewer liberals out and about.
27 posted on 07/04/2007 1:42:32 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: Bogtrotter52
“Fine, more leftist socialists in jail for tax evasion. Screw these people.”

Hope it becomes a mass movement for them. More jobs for the prison industry.

And the bright side is, a lot of them would then get what they secretly want. It just will not be from the IRS, it will be from their cellmate.

28 posted on 07/04/2007 1:45:11 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I think he should be allowed to not pay ant taxes related to the war, if I also can choose not pay any taxes related to entitlement programs.
29 posted on 07/04/2007 1:46:49 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

Great point. I agree. And why’s he so upset that his tax money is spent on bombs that will kill terrorists that could’ve potentially attacked this country again? There are bigger wastes of tax money, such as the things you named. I’d add public school funding to that list.


30 posted on 07/04/2007 1:53:33 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Fed up with war, some won’t pay taxes”

“Some” will be going to jail.

LLS


31 posted on 07/04/2007 1:58:21 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Of course, this budding Einstein took the money he might have paid in federal taxes and sent them to aid Iraqis, right?

Right?

... hello.....?

32 posted on 07/04/2007 1:58:44 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: randog
That would be an odd meeting—you’d have representatives of both the far left and far right present.

It'd be a regular Kook-A-Palooza!

33 posted on 07/04/2007 1:59:05 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Happy Birthday to My Mom, America, and Al Davis!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yep, it’s a little wordplay that doesn’t quite work literally.


34 posted on 07/04/2007 1:59:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: Sub-Driver
and last year he refused to pay self-employment taxes.

LOL
35 posted on 07/04/2007 2:04:55 PM PDT by eyedigress
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You all do know that there is an IRS tip line where you can report someone like this leftist, and then also collect a portion of the taxes as your reward? Maybe FR should file that claim and use the money to start off one of the quarterly Freep-A-Thons.


36 posted on 07/04/2007 2:05:31 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: eyedigress

This guy is unbelievable. There are a lot of things that the government spends money on that I don’t agree with. Yet I’m still compelled to pay taxes. He thinks he has some “moral high ground” I’m sure in that he opposes the war.

Why is it ok to say things like global warming or tax resistance to war funding are moral issues, but things like preserving marriage or abortion issues are not to be viewed as moral issues by the criteria set by liberals?


37 posted on 07/04/2007 2:09:56 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Sub-Driver

Hey, Gross, the Self-employment tax you refuse to pay goes for Social Security, that sacred cow you libs all love.

Of course, we conservatives all know that all taxes paid to the Feds are fungible, BUT, since most libs are into self-delusion, Mr. Gross can tell himself his particular taxes only go to welfare or The Teacher’s Union, or somesuch liberal claptrap. Maybe that would make him feel better.

Hopefully, being spotlighted in this article will bring the IRS down on his a$$.


38 posted on 07/04/2007 2:13:34 PM PDT by Zman516 (socialists & muslims -- satan's useful idiots.)
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To: Sub-Driver

That guy is really dumb with his 100k a year he could of used alot of that money to support his liberal lobbying groups. These people are stupid.


39 posted on 07/04/2007 2:15:27 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Sub-Driver

Seems fair to me. Everyone can pay taxes to support only the programs they want. I figure this concept would cut my tax bill by about 90%.


40 posted on 07/04/2007 2:16:16 PM PDT by deebee1
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To: Sub-Driver

Some how I doubt that this genious of an idea ever entered his drug burned out mind when we started bombing the heck out of Bosnia during the Klinton administration.


41 posted on 07/04/2007 2:20:53 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Excellent point. I agree completely. (By the way the MRC awards have been on CSpan 2 for a while) What a Hoot!

3/29/07
42 posted on 07/04/2007 2:24:27 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Sub-Driver

$100K per year in San Fran Sicko... that’s less than the “living wage” isn’t it?


43 posted on 07/04/2007 2:40:42 PM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: CutePuppy

Good point. How much of the budget goes for national defense and how much of that goes to the war? I bet the total is much smaller than the amount of money that goes towards entitlements..


44 posted on 07/04/2007 2:55:23 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: Sub-Driver

http://tinyurl.com/2avczy


45 posted on 07/04/2007 3:04:11 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Sub-Driver
When the United States invaded Iraq more than four years ago, war opponent David Gross asked his bosses for a radical pay cut, enough so he wouldn't have to pay taxes to support the war...[he] was making close to $100,000 a year... his employer turned him down and he quit. Gross, 38, now works on a contract basis, and last year he refused to pay self-employment taxes.

THROW HIM IN JAIL!

46 posted on 07/04/2007 3:19:25 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Peace activists are considering a mass tax resistance campaign next April to step up pressure to end the war in Iraq, Benn said.” I hope that they do—nothing pisses off liberal democrats in congress more than not getting their taxes....they will go after these tax resisters...


47 posted on 07/04/2007 3:23:46 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hows about we all quit paying taxes in protest against welfare.


48 posted on 07/04/2007 3:28:06 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Sub-Driver

Can they start secession hearing SOON and just move out of the U.S.?


49 posted on 07/04/2007 5:47:57 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Good point. How much of the budget goes for national defense and how much of that goes to the war? I bet the total is much smaller than the amount of money that goes towards entitlements.

No doubt. Especially considering that most of the money spent "on the war" is really the money that have been cut from military budget and have not been spent during Clinton years due to "peace dividend" after dissolution of Soviet Union, and in reality are now spent on the routine maintenance, and production of new equipment and new weapons that have been in research stage but had no funding. That was one of the Rumsfeld's priorities - development and production of new technology, along with reorienting military to adapt to the new kind of asymmetric war, i.e. support for special ops and intelligence ops, not supporting less effective old and expensive Army systems. No wonder some old Army cadre didn't like this as much and fought for old systems in budget allocations.

Bush's choices of JCOS + VJCOS of Air Force + Marine, Marine + Navy, Navy + Marine instead of Army were not accidental. We already are or soon will be seeing the deployment of 21st century technology designed against asymmetrical warfare, lethal and non-lethal - like lasers, AI robotics, stink bullets, disable-non-kill explosives etc.

50 posted on 07/04/2007 9:09:51 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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