Skip to comments.Lewis Libby still in US Bureau of Prison census
Posted on 07/06/2007 6:10:19 AM PDT by Perdogg
I guess someone thinks he still going to show up.
That's my guess.
It was Scooter Libby that represented Marc Rich when Slick pardoned him.
Ironic, isn't it.
If that theory is wrong -- if there really was no crime -- then it seems we ought to get some kind of explanation from Libby as to why he lied. People sometimes do have reasons to lie to investigators other than a desire to cover up criminal activity (hiding non-criminal activity that's embarrassing is the obvious one) but if Libby wants mercy he should offer up a plausible score on this account.
But Libby hasn't offered any such story. Instead, he's offered a wildly implausible story -- that he's innocent. Under those circumstances, it's very odd to offer clemency. He's shown no remorse and appears to be continually engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. Maybe there was no crime here; but if there wasn't, then what was Libby doing? He's not even trying to convince us that he had some other reason to lie.
I think Condor is right. He is in probationary status. They have to keep a slot open.
I’m curious as to exactly what he lied about. I’m wondering if you know for sure.
It’s my understanding that he was inconsistent as to who spoke to whom on what day, more than a year after it happened. I also seem to remember that Fitzgerald’s own witnesses couldn’t remember the specifics consistently on the witness stand.
His probationary status is in limbo according to the Judge in the case. Since he did not serve time there can be no probation. A hearing on the issue will be held Monday.
This will get interesting. I wouldn’t think the judge could overrule the commutation so the only alternative I can forsee is vacating the probation.
On the other hand, lots of people receive probation as the only punishment for their crimes.
I think the judge may be playing games here. There are numerous instances of people on probation who do not do any jail time.
As am I. I would really like a full explanation of what his "perjury" was about and in what way it obstructed "justice".
Actually, you get probation using time served language.
Anyway, most people wonder what the fuss is all about. After all President Clinton lied under oath to a federal judge; sold super-computers to communist China in return for campaign donations; trashed the Oval Office, abused power was impeached and lost his license to practice law (not that he ever showed the slightest pretensions to obeying laws). He got off scott free.
Hmmmm. Let’s see. President Clinton is a Democrat. Libby is a Republican. Do you think its possible that there is a double-standard at work here? Naaah! Couldn’t be. (Sarcasm Off)
It was $250,400.00 :)
No such thing. "appears to be" is just your way of making that accusation.
Maybe there was no crime here; but if there wasn't, then what was Libby doing?
Mis-remembering? No one can recall the exact dates, times, people they were talking to, or not talking to, years back. Can anyone even remember every specific moment of every specific day what they did two weeks ago.
Doesn't Hillary mis-remember in every instance she is cross-examined?
The threshold for conviction is that the govt has to prove mens rea, which in my opinion it didn’t.
Tell us...MurryMom....about that conversation you had 2 years and 3 months ago with a neighbor of yours.....in detail, please. And, don’t lie to us!
She knows how to use the phrase: “Do not recall” :-)
Innocent vs. guilty, that's the distinction between President Clinton and Scooter Libby that ought to convince most rational persons, Republican politicos excepted.
32. It was part of the corrupt endeavor that during his grand jury testimony, defendant LIBBY made the following materially false and intentionally misleading statements and representations, in substance, under oath:
a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News, on or about July 10, 2003:
i. Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA, and told LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and
ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was surprised to hear that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA;
b. LIBBY advised Matthew Cooper of Time magazine on or about July 12, 2003, that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA, and further advised him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true; and
c. LIBBY advised Judith Miller of the New York Times on or about July 12, 2003 that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA but LIBBY did not know whether that assertion was true.
33. It was further part of the corrupt endeavor that at the time defendant LIBBY made each of the above-described materially false and intentionally misleading statements and representations to the grand jury, LIBBY was aware that they were false, in that:
a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News on or about July 10, 2003:
i. Russert did not ask LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilsons wife worked fortheCIA,nor did he tell LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and
ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was well aware that Wilsons wife worked at the CIA; in fact, LIBBY had participated in multiple prior conversations concerning this topic, including on the following occasions:
In or about early June 2003, LIBBY learned from the Vice President that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA in the Counterproliferation Division;
On or about June 11, 2003, LIBBY was informed by a senior CIA officer that Wilsons wife was employed by the CIA and that the idea of sending him to Niger originated with her.
Have you read Russert's testimony? What a joke, the guy can't seem to remember anything right.
Another response I posted in this thread details some of Libby’s lies that resulted in his perjury and obstruction of justice convictions. It’s true that Libby sometimes claimed lack of memory during his GJ testimony, but not regarding the many lies that resulted in his 4 criminal convictions.
Tim Russert filed a false affidavit with the prosecutor’s knowledge. Russert LIED to the court, Fitzy lied to the court. The FBI conveniently “lost” all their interview papers with Russert, what notes they did have said that Russert said “it might be possible that we discussed it”, even though on the stand he said he never said it. The FBI was especially egregious in this case, losing notes, misquoting people (including Libby) (which who shown at trial). But the judge and the jury sided with Russert anyway, even though HE WAS THE PROVEN LIAR in this case. But then, when a judge allows Tim’s neighbor on the jury (over the objections of the defense) it all goes out the window anyway.
Scooter DID NOT receive a fair trial.
I never heard of probation without time served, and this can be as short as a hour (or less). Was he ever incarcerated following any arrest on this case? If he was never arrested and has no time behind bars the judge may be correct.
I wish that the entire GJ record would be made public so that we all have an equal opportunity to speculate about what Bush/Cheney lies Scooter Libby was trying to cover up by committing perjury and obstructing justice.
Yeah, right. All 12 jurors sat through months of testimony, convicted Scooter on evidence showing his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the trial judge agreed with the verdict in spades, and you still expect me to believe in some stuff you read on a farout website weeks before the trial?
Don't tell me. Tell Scooter's lawyers who are still appealing his 4 convictions. They are the ones who really need a magic bullet to save their client.
You actually make the case why Libby is innocence... A person can only lie when they tell you something they know is not true ...it not a lie if I tell you something I believe to the best of my understanding and memory in true but later is found false...
The thing is what motive would Libby have to lie?..There was none as we already know he really did have nothing to do with the release of the name and neither did his boss ... he was found to be incorrect in his recall of a date of a trivial meeting from several years before... and as far an I know that date of the meeting was irrelevant either way to the case...
Someone please show me anything on any relevance to the case and to Libby that Libby had any motive to lie about...if there zero motive and zero relevance... why lie?...there is none.. accept it's bad recall made in to perjury for political reason