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EXPENSIVE ILLITERATES [Dem candidates have no clue about what is wrong with public education]
NCPA Daily Policy Digest ^ | 7/6/2007 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 07/06/2007 11:46:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

After the eight Democratic presidential candidates agreed in their latest debate that public education is woefully underfunded, they all got into cars and drove through Washington, D.C., where teachers are relatively well paid, per pupil spending is through the roof and the schools are among the very worst in the nation, says Richard Cohen in the Miami Herald.

They all seemed to be missing the point, says Cohen:

-- Not a one of them even whispered a mild word of outrage about a public school system that spends $13,000 per child -- third highest among big-city school systems -- and produces pupils who score among the lowest in just about every category.

-- Further, not a single candidate offered anything remotely close to a call for real reform; instead, saying if only more money was allocated to these woe-is-me school systems, things would right themselves overnight.

The problem is not just underfunding, says Cohen. Nor is it racial segregation, as the candidates also decried. Despite their outrage at the recent Supreme Court ruling, the reality is that it has almost no application to the big-city school systems because most of these systems are overwhelmingly black or Hispanic:

-- Washington, D.C., has about 65,000 black students and about 3,500 whites.

-- Los Angeles has about one million Hispanic students and 285,000 whites.

-- Philadelphia has about 180,00 nonwhite students and 30,000 whites.

-- New York's borough of the Bronx has about 200,000 black or Hispanic students and nearly as many Asian/Pacific Islanders as whites (9,000).

Insofar as the Democratic presidential candidates talked about public school education and in so far as they mentioned the Supreme Court decision, they largely mouthed Democratic orthodoxy, says Cohen. But to the kid in the classroom or a parent bucking the bureaucracy, the rhetoric must have only sounded like hot air.

Source: Richard Cohen, "Expensive Illiterates," Miami Herald, July 5, 2007.

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1 posted on 07/06/2007 11:46:52 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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I can’t remember the make-up of my high school when I was there. Though it was diverse. It was fairly evenly spread out between everybody.


2 posted on 07/06/2007 11:52:06 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: bruinbirdman

This should have been posted a few hours later when more people could respond. Education is a hot topic, and Democrat ignorance on the subject really makes me sizzle.


3 posted on 07/07/2007 12:45:35 AM PDT by Liberty Wins (Not only does Fred Thompson cut taxes, he cuts tax collectors.)
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To: Liberty Wins
"This should have been posted a few hours later when more people could respond."

So much information, so little time.

yitbos

4 posted on 07/07/2007 1:40:12 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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the problem is the teachers are NOT qualified. they are taught liberal values and not taught how to teach. they think the kids will learn reading by osmosis and keep telling parents to READ to the kids and the kids will get it.

I have been around the school district since 1990 with my kids and the amount of students that cannot read in grammar school levels is phenomenal.


5 posted on 07/07/2007 1:55:18 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.take the get)
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I agree. I find that kids today feel it is more important to have self esteem than a proper education. I work in a lab and we get students from the local colleges to do their clinical rotations. I find it amazing that they passed their general studies courses because they can’t even conjugate a verb properly. They do,however, have no problem criticizing their lab instructors for not grading them to “their” expectations.


6 posted on 07/07/2007 4:03:24 AM PDT by heylady
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Who benefits? If young adults are stupid, not knowledgeable, need welfare, employee police, welfare agents, prison guards, medical services this is all good and helps the Democrat voter base the government/tax paid social service employees. They need losers. It is the Democrat teachers obligation to see that the factories produce the product that best fits the welfare system. Losers.
7 posted on 07/07/2007 4:12:32 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Not a one of them even whispered a mild word of outrage about a public school system that spends $13,000 per child -- third highest among big-city school systems -- and produces pupils who score among the lowest in just about every category.

Let's see ---- ($13,000 per child) x (23 children per classroom) = $299,000 per class. If the teacher is paid $70,000/yr, that leaves $229,000 to be spent for administration, books, utilities, janitorial. Where does the rest of that money go????

In the middle and high schools in our our local public school districts there are more teachers not in the classroom during the day than there are teachers in class. Teachers average 3 class periods per day, and yet they still clamor for more teachers and the teachers whine about being overworked and underpaid.

8 posted on 07/07/2007 4:55:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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Fixing bad schools in a bad neighborhood with high levels of poverty, broken or non-existent family life, high crime levels, etc. does not solve the problem, it treats the symptom. To be successful in that environment, a teacher can't be a dedicated professional who goes home to a clean, safe environment each night, the teacher has to be a dedicated missionary who is part of a larger effort.

The goals of increasing spending on one problem in the community might be noble, but should be realistic in terms of success and impact without other actions to improve the whole community, not just the part inside the school building for part of the day.

9 posted on 07/07/2007 5:01:18 AM PDT by Bernard (The Fairness Doctrine should be applied to people who follow the rules to come to America legally)
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To: bruinbirdman

That is not necessarily true.They know exactly what is wrong with public education. That is the reason they send their children to private schools and colleges.


10 posted on 07/07/2007 5:05:37 AM PDT by sport
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To: bruinbirdman

Peter Drucker, in his book “The New Realities”, has pointed out the two greatest faults of the education system: The removal of values and not preparing students for the world they will step into.


11 posted on 07/07/2007 5:06:39 AM PDT by RoadTest (The arrogance of academia is even greater than its ignorance.)
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The big problems with public schools in particular are:

nonacademic curriculum starting in 1st grade
low expectations
illiterate teachers
too much overhead/administration
psychological “health” emphasis instead of academic merit
no discipline

Other than those things, the schools are just fine. /s


12 posted on 07/07/2007 5:39:51 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Uncle Chip

In our school district they announced with glee that two principals were promoted to administrative positions under the superintendent- which brings the total to three men who’s job it is to coordinate with the other district principals (nearly 30). So, it takes the Superintendent, 3 administrative positions, an Asst. Superintendent to manage 30 advanced degreed and highly paid professionals? This would kill any real business. With glee they also didn’t put the new cost to the taxpayers.

It is getting pathetic how they just layer it on with no thought as to how hard one has to work to pay for this. It’s all about job creation for the unionized mentality.


13 posted on 07/07/2007 5:49:59 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: television is just wrong

look, until we stop lieing about education ,kids are doomed to failure

1. get competition
2.make the teachers pass the tests necessary to qualify to teach the kids

here in Phoenix we have the Aimes test....a must pass must take test to get outta high school.....

three years ago all teachers here had to take that Aimes test..............wanna guess the mean average score ????

a 52 was the average......from our teachers

now a four year old knows that water in the gas will not start the lawn mower


14 posted on 07/07/2007 5:57:31 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Of course most Democrats can’t personally relate to the poor condition of some of our public schools because they went to private schools and likewise are sending their own children to them.


15 posted on 07/07/2007 5:59:21 AM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Leisler

You’ve hit the nail on the head- the Democrats have to keep peolple dependent on the government for their own job security.


16 posted on 07/07/2007 6:00:54 AM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: bruinbirdman

The suspension of reality is what the Democrats are all about, but this really puts a point on it.


17 posted on 07/07/2007 6:08:10 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: bruinbirdman

GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS THEN AND NOW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lR1KQq2-U


18 posted on 07/07/2007 6:16:15 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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To: bruinbirdman


















19 posted on 07/07/2007 6:17:09 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Yardstick

For the utopian elites, reality is totally relative. They recognize few — if any — ABSOLUTES.

GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS THEN AND NOW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lR1KQq2-U


20 posted on 07/07/2007 6:19:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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