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Focus on Guns [i.e. "consent to search home for illegal guns"]
Philly.com (Philadelphia, PA) ^ | 7/6/07 | n/a

Posted on 07/07/2007 9:59:19 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

ANOTHER DAY, another homicide, another handgun-reduction initiative in Philadelphia. And the state Legislature? Still shooting blanks when it comes to meaningful handgun control.

Last week, District Attorney Lynne Abraham and Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson announced the Philadelphia Gun Removal Program, in which adult residents can give cops permission to search their home for illegal handguns.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; govwatch; pa; pennsylvania; secondamendment
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1 posted on 07/07/2007 9:59:23 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

???Why would any sane person consent to a warrentless search of their house?Have any of these twits ever heard of the Fourth Amendment?Also,if you as the homeowner don’t know what’s in your house,you’ve got some bigger problems than just some guns lying about.


2 posted on 07/07/2007 10:04:23 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (If there's lead in the air,there's hope.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Why if somebody has an illegal gun, would they let police search their home?


3 posted on 07/07/2007 10:04:54 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: wastedyears

This is the same non-logic politicians use to assume criminals will abide by gun-control laws. In this case, the cops may use someone’s refusal to give permission for a warrentless search as grounds to obtain a search warrant from a pliant judge. The cops already do this with cars.


5 posted on 07/07/2007 10:08:26 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: kiriath_jearim
Strictly voluntary, of course.

Just like a breathalyzer or field sobriety test - you have the right to refuse.

There are consequences, though...

6 posted on 07/07/2007 10:16:24 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( Support global warming ... we midwesterners need a coastline too!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Its the drugs, not the guns.

Detox everyone for starters, but of course people have to want to be detoxed.

State and some local governments (Rudy Giuliani) got tough on crime back in the 80’s and 90’s but now “racial profiling” rules and a court system drifting away from the death penalty are moving us in another direction.


7 posted on 07/07/2007 10:42:18 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: wastedyears

Sounds to me that it is a policy aimed at parents afraid of their kids, perhaps even held hostage by them. If that is the case, it will backfire, no pun intended. Better for the parent to drop a dime on their little angel and let him be arrested than to make junior replace his arsenal but now be po’ed at mommy. Typical liberal focus, though - the gun is bad, not its owner.


8 posted on 07/07/2007 10:48:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Like the show “COPS” “Hey buddy, step out on the porch for a second”. lol

COPS just goes to show how stupid some people are:

Cop: Can I search your car?
Idiot: Sure
Cop: What's this?
Idiot: That's not my kilo of heroin!

People can have all the rights in the world, but if they're too stupid to exercise them no amount of law can protect them.

9 posted on 07/07/2007 10:49:08 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: kiriath_jearim

The NRA should actually jump on this like a duck on a June bug. They should start an “armed and safe” program that targets the minority community, helping them set up block watches, gives them all sorts of advice on crime reduction techniques, even free classes.

The psychology of such a program would have to be very carefully tailored to work on several levels, but creates all sorts of opportunities, and makes a great soft-sell for gun ownership and rights.


10 posted on 07/07/2007 11:10:16 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Farmer Dean

Because people in general are STUPID!!!!


11 posted on 07/07/2007 11:14:08 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Joe Brower; kiriath_jearim
"Comrade, if you have nothing illegal to hide, why should you object to a quick search of your house?"


12 posted on 07/07/2007 11:20:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I’m not clear on the concept.

You volunteer to let the cops search your home for illegal firearms? Why would you do that?

Is this some kind of macabre scavenger hunt illegal gunowners would put on for the police?


13 posted on 07/07/2007 11:42:53 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is an incremental approach. Today they ask a few people to let them search their homes. tomorrow they claim “everyone” lets them so what does a person who says no have to hide and they get a warrant based on it.


14 posted on 07/07/2007 11:55:09 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: kiriath_jearim

Why do they need a law for this? If a cop comes up to you and says “Can I search your house for illegal guns” and you don’t know or don’t care about your Fourth Amendment rights, or about weakening them for your neighbors, couldn’t you already say “Sure. And can I get you a cold drink while you’re at it?”


15 posted on 07/07/2007 12:14:03 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Popocatapetl
They should start an “armed and safe” program that targets the minority community, helping them set up block watches, gives them all sorts of advice on crime reduction techniques, even free classes.

The problem with this is that minorities are now shunning "snitches". It's disgusting that these communities allow criminals to operate freely in their neighborhoods just to "stick it to the man". They end up "sticking" themselves.

16 posted on 07/07/2007 12:36:25 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Are there any demotards lurking about that can define what an “illegal handgun” is for me?


17 posted on 07/07/2007 12:41:46 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It is a sad state of affairs in this nation that there are people who are so lazy and irresponsible that they actually want the government to take responsibility for every aspect of their lives.

" I think my son is a juvenile delinquent, would you come and see if he has a gun, oh, by the way just ignore my personal stash of dope while you're at it..

By the way, I couldn't tell for sure, is that a G19, G23, or a G30? Looks like a G19 but I can't be certain.
18 posted on 07/07/2007 1:41:32 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Never underestimate the ability of a Liberal to lie.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The Knoxville (Tennessee) Police Department tried to do this back in 1999, with underwhelming results.


19 posted on 07/07/2007 2:16:37 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: theymakemesick

You have to enter a situation like that with the *assumption* of a severe lack of trust of the authorities, both imagined and real.

To start with, in areas with leftist rule in government, you will find tremendous disdain for minorities, masked as empathy (”I feel your pain”). Often there is a complete lack of real support, while at the same time great hand wringing and deploring of the circumstances for those same people.

So it is not a tremendous shock when minorities look at government as the enemy.

But it also means that people who are *all* substance, like in this case the NRA, have to be very prepared to prove that they mean it, and are not like the leftist crap slingers.

When such a minority community *is* convinced that somebody is treating them fairly, and actually doing something, not just yammering and promising things, they embrace them fully.

The NRA would have to be doubly careful, because with the first sign of success, the leftist politicians would be right there, hoping for advantage from parasiting and neutralizing the program. This is because, in truth, the leftists do not want minorities to improve their lives, because then they would be less dependent.


20 posted on 07/07/2007 2:51:21 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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