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Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK
World Net Daily ^ | 7/9/07 | Art Moore

Posted on 07/09/2007 9:24:11 AM PDT by Jack Bull

Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK

Hear Islamic leaders in London: 'Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!'

Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.

"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"

Choudary was a co-founder of Al Muhajiroun, the now-banned group tied to suspects in the July 7, 2005, London transport bombings and a cheerleader of the 9/11 attacks.

"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"

The Muslim leader's charge, along with interviews with protesters and a "literal foaming-at-the-mouth" diatribe by another speaker, were captured on tape June 22 by nationally syndicated talk radio host Rusty Humphries.

Humphries, who was in London with WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, recorded angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."

Abu Saif is believed to be a member of the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Party of Liberation, which states its aim is to unify Muslims and establish Islamic rule over the world. The group's Cambridge cell reportedly had tried to recruit the Iraqi doctor now suspected of mounting the attack on Glasgow's airport June 30. The failed car-bomb assault followed two similar attempts in London the previous day.

Abu Saif spoke with disdain of Blair's appointment as a special envoy to the Middle East, issuing an apparent threat.

"Inshallah," meaning "Allah willing," he told the crowd, Blair will "go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box. Inshallah. What box that is, we leave that up to you."

Humphries estimated nearly 3,000 Muslims were gathered in front of the mosque in north London June 22, after Friday prayers, to protest Queen Elizabeth's knighting of Indian author Salman Rushdie, the target of a death-sentence fatwa for "insulting" Islam's prophet Muhammad in his 1988 book "The Satanic Verses."

For Humphries, the response of the Muslims at Islam's largest house of worship in the UK was telling.

"Not one said, 'You're not speaking for me' or 'Not in my name.' They stood there and watched and applauded," he told WND.

Like the UK, Humphries said, the U.S. has three major vulnerabilities to patient, fundamentalist Muslims who believe their purpose for living in the West is to help fulfill Islamic prophecies: The loss of border control, the inability to say no and lack of assimilation.

"I feel like I'm Rusty Revere. I'm out there yelling the Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming," he said. "But we don't want to hear it. We don't want to hurt people's feelings."

Humphries' interview with Abu Saif underscored the radically different vision many of Britain's citizens have for the country's future.

The Muslim leader said he does not believe in democracy and insists there is no such thing as freedom of religion, "because freedom is an absolute term."

"Are we to say that Muslims can fully practice religion in America," he asked in an attempt to explain. "Say, for instance, I was a Muslim in America. Could I call for the destruction of the American government and establishment of an Islamic state in America? No. So where is the freedom of religion? There is none."

Humphries asked: "Do you call for that?"

"Of course," he replied, "we want Islam to be a source of governance for all of mankind. And we also believe that one day America will be ruled by Islam."

Abu Saif explained Islam, like Christianity, has a prophetic tradition.

"One of the prophecies of the message of Muhammad was the hour will never come, i.e., the last day – which you also believe in – will never come until a group of the Muslims … will rise and conquer the white house."

The reference, many Muslims believe today, is to America's symbol of executive power.

Islamic leaders in the U.S. largely have been careful to not assert publicly the Muslim belief that Islam ultimately will gain worldwide supremacy. As WND reported, Omar Ahmad, the founder of a prominent U.S.-based Islamic lobby group, denies a newspaper report that he told a group of Muslims in the San Francisco Bay area they are in America not to assimilate but to help bring about Islam's rule over the nation.

Like other protesters, Abu Saif presented a typical list of grievances Muslims have with the U.S. and Britain, such as the nations' part in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the wars in Afghanistan and Iran.

But the Islamic leader admitted he believes Jews and Christians will always hate Muslims, because Allah has said it is so.

"There's nothing we can do to be friends?" Humphries asked.

Abu Saif replied: "There is something you can do to be friends. You can become Muslim."

He also had a simple solution to the conflict in the Holy Land.

"We want the Jews to leave Israel, and to hand the whole of Israel, not just Gaza and the West Bank – the whole of Israel to the Muslims. Only then will the Muslims stop."

'Politics of terror'

BBC-TV last week highlighted Hizb ut-Tahrir in a program called "Politics of Terror," noting "the attempted terrorist attacks on London and Glasgow have once again focused attention on the rise of political Islam."

If al-Qaida is to be defeated, the narrator said, "the key battlefield is in the realm of ideas. Today's would-be suicide bombers are almost invariably yesterday's campaigners for political Islam."

During the Prime Minister's Questions session in Parliament Wednesday, opposition leader David Cameron left the new premier, Gordon Brown, stammering after demanding to know why the government had not banned Hizb ut-Tahrir after promising to do so two years ago.

Brown replied: "Of course in all these details – and I have had to deal with this in the Treasury, when we're dealing with terrorist finance – you have to have evidence to do so."

The answer was met by a chorus of jeers from MPs.

Cameron responded: "The prime minister said we need evidence to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir. This organization said, and I quote, 'Jews should be killed wherever they are found.' What more evidence do we need before we ban this organization? It is poisoning the minds of young people. Two years ago the government said it should be banned. I ask again, when will this be done?"

Brown seemed even more hesitant this time.

"We can ban it under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, and, of course, of course, of course ... I think the leader of the opposition forgets I've been at this job for five days ... ," he said, as jeers once again filled the chamber.

Brown already, in fact, has issued a ban of another kind – prohibiting his ministers from using the word 'Muslim' in connection with the worldwide terrorism threat. He also has instructed his team to drop the phrase "war on terror," Britain's Daily Express reported.

The paper says the "shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more 'consensual' tone than existed under Tony Blair."

The New York Times reported last week many Britons were happy with Brown's tempered approach to the foiled terrorist attacks just days after he succeeded Blair.

Brown, wrote London-based reporter Alan Cowell, "played down the threat, treating the episodes as a crime rather than a threat to civilization. Yet, his minimalist approach seemed to strike a reassuring chord with Britons, many of whom had expressed fatigue with Mr. Blair's apocalyptic view of terrorism."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: almuhajiroun; choudary; crushislam; educatedmurderers; enemywithin; extremists; infiltration; islam; islamofascism; muhammadsminions; muslimdoctors; muslims; terrorism; terrorists; trop; waronislamism; wot
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To: Jack Bull

Any civilization that will not fight for itself deserves what it gets.

I’m guessing that all the ‘backbone’ that was in England migrated to the Americas before the Revolution.

Watch this carefully fellow Americans.

It is as in the days of Hitler. Take a look at his globe. He only wanted to take over the world. The muslims will succeed at any costs, and cowards, like the British have become will help them.


81 posted on 07/09/2007 8:18:05 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Jack Bull

A Barret BMG could send that SOB to Virgin City.


82 posted on 07/09/2007 8:19:52 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Jack Bull
We must ban Islamofascist movements, execute their leaders and proscribe the dissemination of their death cult ideology.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

83 posted on 07/09/2007 8:21:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jack Bull

What is it about islam “is a religion of peace” that you don’t get?

Surely the words and deeds of it’s members aren’t convincing you otherwise? Afterall, the jihadists are just a small minority of islam who have “hijacked the religion.”

Move along now. Nothing to see here. And if you did happen to see anything, forget about it. It’s not what you thought you saw. We’ll tell you later what you saw.


84 posted on 07/09/2007 8:59:33 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Jack Bull
Leaders of the West better start listening to THIS lady about Political Correctness or it will be the death of us all.

"Because political correctness is killing us. Political correctness is the disease that is killing the west, it is the apathy by which the Muslims are killing us one-by-one. We have got to throw it in the garbage where it belongs." Brigette Gabriel

85 posted on 07/10/2007 6:43:34 AM PDT by apro
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To: Jack Bull
Great post and thanks.

Hind sight being 20/20... the day after 9/11 we should have flown 2 B2s over M&M to drop leaflets telling all that in 24 hours the entire area would be leveled and glowing.

Next day, keep our promise.

They’re going to hate us anyway.

86 posted on 07/10/2007 9:47:59 AM PDT by KKing
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

87 posted on 07/10/2007 1:46:24 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Only if the lake of fire has frozen over!


88 posted on 07/10/2007 2:14:58 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: B-Chan
The Chan Clan will never be ruled by Islam. We'll be Catholic, or we'll be dead.

The same goes for the Martel family (but you already knew that)...


89 posted on 07/10/2007 2:30:43 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Jack Bull; USF; Fred Nerks; george76; Just A Nobody
The paper says the "shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more 'consensual' tone than existed under Tony Blair.


90 posted on 07/10/2007 3:10:35 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman,)
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To: reagan_fanatic
America is teeming with patriots, ARMED patriots, and we're more than ready to deal both you and allah a stunning defeat.

The question is, HOW long will it take for this Country to recognize who the enemy is?

91 posted on 07/10/2007 3:15:08 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman,)
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To: Charles Martel

SOONER OR LATER IT'S
THEM OR US

92 posted on 07/10/2007 3:17:40 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: The Blitherer
The time needs to approach when a rational society, acting in the interests of its own survival, and yet respecting freedom of religion, will define Islam as a political ideology and not a religion at all. The precedent exists with German National Socialism and its heavy strains of pagan mysticism. Failing this, there is little chance of a satisfactory solution to your conundrum.
93 posted on 07/10/2007 3:26:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: All
They make no secret what their intentions are. Why aren't they taken seriously?


94 posted on 07/10/2007 3:33:05 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman,)
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To: jan in Colorado
They make no secret what their intentions are. Why aren't they
taken seriously?


Most Americans, subjects of the UK and Europeans are comfortable.

9-11 and other Islamic terrorist acts are just abstract blips on
their personal radar.

And the media has convinced them that those nice Muslim families
moving into their neighborhoods are as saintly as the illegal immigrants
that the media has already turned into secular saints.

IMHO, there will have to be blood in the streets before the Islamic
tide is repelled and pushed back, once again, even from the gates of Vienna.

But I fear the Islamics have learned from their Jew-hating buddies
the Nazis.
They will pretend to be good neighbors and let their more radical
brothers blow off steam with an occassional attack against
The Great Satan and The Little Satan (Israel).
And they learned from the USSR that being a stateless entity will
allow them to (unlike the USSR) successfully parasitize The West.
(Of course, The West will conspire in this by refusing to face facts
and dedicate themselves to ending addiction to oil...and funding
their own destruction.)

And lull the infidels into a sweet stupor before taking over
by virtue of immigrations/demographics.
95 posted on 07/10/2007 4:13:09 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
And lull the infidels into a sweet stupor before taking over by virtue of immigrations/demographics.

THAT is exactly what they are doing, and I'm afraid by the time enough people wake up...it will be too late!

96 posted on 07/10/2007 4:46:52 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman")
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To: reagan_fanatic; knighthawk; SoldierDad; Cannoneer No. 4; Cannonette
Some Freeper over a year ago posted the following joke.

Three airline passengers were waiting at the Bozeman, Montana Airport for their delayed flights. One was a native American Indian, one a radical Muslim student and the third a Cowboy. As they waited they began an uneasy conversation. The Native American began by discussing Indian history and ending his lament with, “Once we were many, and now we are few.” The Cowboy sat back put his feet on the table and tipped his hat forward hiding his eyes. The radical Muslim student leaned forward aggressively and told the story of how Mohammad conquered the Infidels and spread Islam through out North Africa and the Near East and how Islam will one day rule the world. He ended his chat by saying, “Once we were few and now we are many.” With that the Cowboy slowly sat up, deliberately put his feet on the ground, with his thumb pushed his Stetson back and with steel blue eyes staring into the radical Muslims eyes, quietly said, “That’s cause we ain’t played Cowboys and Muslims, yet.”

97 posted on 07/10/2007 9:52:11 PM PDT by Chgogal (When you vote Democrat, you vote Al Qaeda! Ari Emanuel, Rahm's brother was agent to Moore's F9/11.)
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To: Jack Bull
The Muslim leader said he does not believe in democracy and insists there is no such thing as freedom of religion, "because freedom is an absolute term."

"Are we to say that Muslims can fully practice religion in America," he asked in an attempt to explain. "Say, for instance, I was a Muslim in America. Could I call for the destruction of the American government and establishment of an Islamic state in America? No. So where is the freedom of religion? There is none."

....thanks for the ping, Jack. Reading this makes it harder to live in denial....

98 posted on 07/11/2007 3:28:30 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Chgogal

lolololol!!!


99 posted on 07/11/2007 2:05:30 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: SpinnerWebb
Sorry bad hair day. What I am saying is Christianity is under attack from various fronts. And that government knowing or unknowingly place ideology and practices, that does not reckonized the existence of God, on to a society. And that brain washes, enslaves that society. And destroys the christian way of life laydown by the 10 commandment and the word of God. Example is evolution and sex education being taught,K thru 12, before our children reach the age of accountability. And chirstian today who have rejected evolution on it front, pratice it in their lives. The fact that divorce is just has high with christian as with the general public. Is a point, lay down in phlosophy that we pratice or live by. If we pratice that which is laydown in the bible, christian would not have a divorce rate equal to the general public. Because of the hardness of their hearts. And so on and so on.
100 posted on 07/12/2007 8:51:03 AM PDT by Warlord David
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