Posted on 07/10/2007 9:55:13 AM PDT by freedom44
In my previous post, there were two distinct issues. (1)Adultery in current Iran, which incidentally, if you read my post carefully, in addition to other points, point no. 5 in particular says that adultery in a sense is actually encouraged under Sharia law i.e. polygamy and temporary marriage situation. (2)Adultery in general.
I am most definitely against the death sentence by stoning or otherwise in relation to adultery in current Iran. Furthermore, I am against stoning law in general because it is an actual form of torture leading to a slow and painful death and much more as mentioned in my previous post. It isn’t a subjective matter.
I am against a death sentence in general for adultery because unlike murder, rape and drug trafficking/dealing (not drug addiction) as a few examples, I view adultery as a purely a moral issue. Religious dictatorships often impose a strict moral code for adultery. Religious guidance should remain what it is i.e. religious guidance and not be imposed as a rule of law in the society. While I believe those who commit adultery should be reprimanded and counselled, especially if they are repeat offenders, I don’t believe a death sentence fits the crime, so to speak.
Adultery takes places between two consenting adults, even if it hurts the partners of the ones involved. But, so does wife beating. Should the person who beats his wife be sentenced to death as well? Actually, I think the punishment for wife beating should be much more severe than adultery.
One blunt will do it if you choke on your own vomit.
The point is that one cannot increase the value of marriage or force faithfulness and keeping one’s marriage vows (as you point out) by imposing a death sentence on purely moral and family issue such as adultery. If you disagree, then we’ll have to leave it at that.
I don’t understand your point about wife beating. Of course it isn’t between two consenting adults. Does the wife want to be beaten? If so, I would recommend a psychiatrist to the wife as well as the partner who beats her. I was saying adultery is between two consenting adults unlike rape, murder or wife beating.
I misinterpreted your wife beating analogy.
I am not advocating increasing the value of marriage by use of the death penalty.
And you can also according to your own reasonings say you can not increase the value of human life by imposing a death penalty on the murderer. So why make murder a capital offense?
The point is that if you transgress what is highly valued in a soceity you will incur the death penalty.
That’s why liberals are against murder being a capital offense b/c they do not value human life. Murder may be tragic to liberals but “what the hey”, to them human life is a commodity- valueless and it may have subjective value to some but objectively no real value.
That’s the reasoning of those who are against Adultery being a capital crime, it’s tragic but objectively no big deal.
That’s why jay-walking is not a capital offense, it may be a violation of regulating traffic but objectively no big deal.
To most their reasoning goes like this:
Marriage is a good way of regulating soceity b/c usually a family results, but if adultery takes place - no big deal- b/c marriage, like jay-walking, is a regulative device, if it ‘s transgressed - who cares, marriage may have subjective value to some but intrinsically/objectively marriage has no “real” value in itself.
I understand your points and would like to respond more thoroughly but it is very late at night at my end of the world.
However, in summary I’d say that is why the process of law i.e. arriving at the final verdict for a crime is just as important if not more important than the verdict itself.
Did you read 38? You yourself explained that since adultery doesn’t kill anyone it isn’t the same as murder. Do you think jaywalkers or litterers ought to be executed too? Thats how you sound when you ask people to explain why adultery shouldn’t be a capital offense. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain.
You have never understood. The death penalty for adultery is NOT an eye for an eye. The penalty does not fit the crime. The death penalty for murder is an eye for an eye. The penalty does fit the crime.
If it was so obvious why couldn’t you explain your position; because you never thought it through, that’s why.
And ad hominem attacks are not arguments nor reasons for adultery being or not being a capital offense.
Of course I explained that adultery doesn’t kill anyone so that’s why the idea of adultery being a capital offense is so repugnant to most people.
I had to make the argument for you b/c you were too busy calling me names.
And read my posts to the poster “odd”. I already addressed the jay walking issue.
Simply put: whoever transgresses what is highly valued in a society will incur the death penalty. Faithfulness in marriage is not highly valued so it will not incur the death penalty in our society.
I understand your argument “eye for an eye”. Valid point, but remember that in the Bible, adultery is punishable by death.Explain this.
My argument is that adultery like every other sexual deviancy is no big deal in our society, except pedophilia.
But just wait the perverts will change that too.
“I think it depends on why they are injecting themselves into people’s personal lives. For example, rape or child molestation. The government should intrude into the rapist’s and pedophile’s life. Don’t you think?”
Agreed. I should have been more specific. I disagree with government involving itself between two consenting adults. The samples you give, by all means, I’d support intervention by law enforcement.
whatever.
You obviously need more “diversity training” - off to the gulags with you
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