Posted on 07/11/2007 7:55:07 PM PDT by TavoNYC
Thanks for posting. You are probably conservative but boy are you mistaken on anchor babies.
The children born in the United States to illegal-alien mothers are often referred to as “anchor babies.” Under current practice, these children are U.S. citizens at birth, simply because they were born on U.S. soil. They are called anchor babies because, as U.S. citizens, they become eligible to sponsor for legal immigration most of their relatives, including their illegal-alien mothers, when they turn 21 years of age, thus becoming the U.S. “anchor” for an extended immigrant family.
While there is no formal policy that forbids DHS from deporting the illegal-alien parents of children born in the U.S., they rarely are actually deported. In some cases, immigration judges make exceptions for the parents on the basis of their U.S.-born children and grant the parents legal status. In many cases, though, immigration officials choose not to initiate removal proceedings against illegal aliens with U.S.-born children, so they simply remain here illegally.
Thus, the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens not only represent additional U.S. population growth, but act as ‘anchors’ to eventually pull a large number of extended family members into the country legally. In fact, an entire industry has built up around the U.S. system of birthright citizenship. Thousands of pregnant women who are about to deliver come to the United States each year from countries as far away as South Korea and as near as Mexico so that they can give birth on U.S. soil. Some come legally as temporary visitors; others enter illegally. Once the child is born, they get a U.S. birth certificate and passport for the child, and their future link to this country is established and irreversible.
Thanks for your message.
1. I agree xenophobia is a natural impulse. I also think that civility trumps most of people’s natural impulses most of the time. For the most part, however, I have not encountered xenophobia or prejudicie in my daily life.
2. I have not (no practical reason for me to look at them). I would expect them to be as stringent as those of the US.
3. As I said, I doubt people are making childbearing decisions with this in mind. Having a US born child will not entitle you to receive a welfare check (except to the extent the child qualifies for this - in my mind this is a totally different situation, but I realize many on this forum may disagree).
4. My kids can have dual citizenship (or they can pick the one they want to keep after they are 18). Why would I want to limit their choices? This in no way means I consider being an American citizen less valuable than being a Mexican citizen (or vice versa). I just think having both nationalities is an asset. I don’t see any conflict here, although I realize you may disagree.
And yes, I do speak English to my kids too. But why not give them the gift of bilingualism if I can do it? (In fact I speak French fluently, too and I intend to speak this language to them too).
In 2002 my daughter in law had her first child at Good Sam Hospital in Phoenix, it was hard to find the little tyke in the nursery amid all the other babies.
Last year, she had her second at the same venue, this time it was easy to pick her out in the nursery, she was the white baby..
You’re entitled to your wariness. I have not hidden the fact that I am pro-Immigration for full disclosure. No tricks here. My story is real, but you’re entitled to distrust it or interpret it as you wish.
If I had not being attuned to this debate in the first place, I probably would not even know what the term “anchor baby” means and I would not have reacted to the woman’s comment.
Last week my teenage daughter and I were grocery shopping at the neighborhood store. About halfway through a group of three young men surrounded her and began taunting her in a foreign tongue. She tried to skirt around them, but they encircled her and blocked her exit and continued to make what was (by their attitude, demeanor, and body language) obviously rude & offensive comments.
I came up behind them and said, “Hey you slimy little F*@#$rs, what would you think about me bashing your skulls in? How about if I shoved this bottle of Ketchup up your a$$es?”” Now I must admit that I was being rude because I didn’t respect them enough to speak to them in their native language, but for some reason that didn’t occur to me at the time.
I suppose in retrospect that they might have been just paying homage to her for, say her breast size. How could I be so inconsiderate?! Perhaps I should have engaged them and inquired, “So do you come here to pick up little girls often?” Again, an opportunity for a bit of social interaction missed.
This cross-cultural communications thing is so complicated! It’s a good thing that my daughter wasn’t being overly sensitive about this.
I guess it’s all a matter of perspective...
End of story.
Although I have some sympathy for you, I can tell you what my grandparents said to my dad and his brothers...we are in America and you had better speak English. There were no exceptions...period.
My grandma also said the “beatings continue until the attitude changes” but thats another post. (In case your are wondering, Sicilian.)
With those odds, color me suspicious.
And TavoNYC (Sir) the average American citizen does not and will not understand someone who breaks line to be ahead or in front of a "legal". The word "illegal" says how Americans think. If that word "illegal" doesn't make your blood boil, to remember an "illegal" will break the laws of our nation not once or twice, but forever and ever till the word (Amnesty) is enacted. Americans have come to a near-hate of what is playing out in front of our eyes. Americans will be more than a little frustrated if legalization (amnesty) is enacted. And we Americans will fight this legalization of those who broke our laws to enter our nation, because we Americans pride ourselves on the fact we try to be fair and allow justice to prevail because we (our nation America) is a nation of law.
But what do I know, I am not an attorney. But I do know attorneys, judges, and our legal system is the best in the world, but even those individuals realize the "illegal" issue is more than simply a few cross words.
If you are an American TavoNYC use an American's wit and charm. You are free to copy mine.
agreed...check out the posts and the air clears
My ex sis-in-law is American Indian. Very very dark skinned. Illegal aliens walk up to her not knowing her from a hole in the ground and start speaking espanol at her. This pisses her off to no end. She in turn starts speaking flawless Japanese which she studied in Tokyo when she lived there and wanted to at least make an attempt to fit in.
The illegals usually give her a nasty look and storm off.
[No such thing as an anchor baby IMO, because if you did not have your legal papers and status, an INS judge would still likely throw you out.]
You are dead wrong. Arizona has thousands of illegals with ‘anchor babies’ who WILL NOT and CANNOT be returned to their COO (Country of Origin) due to ICE/Bush failure to enforce.
Your plans are to have them be dual or hyphen Americans, so this just proves the point further.
You know this full well and are only trying to stir things up with words like xenophobic in your rant. You would have to be living under a rock not to know of the immigration bill that our President and Senate was trying to force upon us that was just defeated, so spare me your “I don’t understand what’s happening” lines. I may not agree with this lady’s rudeness but don’t expect us to think you’re that stupid to NOT know what’s been going on with immigration the past year.
Also New York City is probably one of the rudest bunch of aholes on the planet, so don’t expect us to think this is the first time you have ever been insulted. NYC people excel “in being all they can be” in rudeness. Paris is probably the only place that would give them competition. Your “woe is me” tale is just that. I’m sure you made it up and are trying to stir the pot to see what happens. The funny thing is the new immigration bill would have shafted legal immigrants such as yourself and given the illegals a better status than yourself.
They are getting the boot back to Mexico from California.
I know of one lady with a 4 year old American citizen baby and she was ordered out. She is getting a passport to take the baby with her.
[I remember a 60 minutes or 20/20 episode from back in the 90s about anchor babies along the border.]
Right idea but wrong numbers. San Miguel, Arizona on the Mexican border south of Yuma has a population of a few hundred, perhaps a couple thousand but it has (I have heard) 30,000 PO boxes to cover the illegals who get SS checks and other US benes.
End of story. No allegiance. Playing the globalist game. Get lost.
How many of those Americans are illegal aliens and how many are working in Mexico illegally. None of course!!
Because illegal aliens are depressing wages for American workers. The law of supply and demand
Anchor babies , no myth.
Just come to San Diego to any ER.
As soon as the gals are ready to unload, they
are across the border at any number of ERs.
Many many thousands of anchor babies are born here a yr.,
which makes them an American Citiz. They can then collect
from the San Diego tax payer, their needs others have to work for.
We are losing tens of millions of dollars a year in
San Diego supporting these illegals.
You are tough!!! :) LOL!
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