Posted on 07/11/2007 7:55:07 PM PDT by TavoNYC
Yesterday my wife, my brother and I decided to go to the city (Manhattan -we live in the New Jersey suburbs-) with our two daughters. As we were joyfully strolling down Broadway minding our own business and talking among us (in Spanish, of course, which I'm sure you'll understand is perfectly normal behavior for native speakers of any language when they speak among each other regardless of what country they happen to be in -Americans living in Mexico or France speak English among themselves as they are perfectly entitled to do-), when out of the blue a woman turned to us as we walked pass her and sarcastically referred to my daughters (6 months old and 6 years old) as "anchor babies".
Ny wife and I are Mexican citizens (from Morelia). We came to the New York metro region under a work visa, we've lived here for 10 years and are now US permanent residents. I work in investment banking for a bulge bracket US firm. Needless to say (and yet, here I am feeling compelled to state it) we are law abiding citizens that have paid literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes in the past ten years. Needless to say as well, my current and future immigration status have nothing to do with the fact that my daughter's were born here and (will) have dual citizenship.
I am normally pretty hard skinned, but I have to confess that this made me quite angry. I blurted out a profanity (which of course got me in trouble with my wife for using such language in front of the kids) and told my wife and brother what the woman had just said -apparently I was the only one who actually heard her and in fact, I had to explain what the term "anchor baby" meant as neither my brother nor my wife had heard it-. They were much cooler about it than I was. My 25 year old brother laughed it off: "does she realize where she is?" (New York City, where 40% of the population is foreign born), "I guess she must go around saying this to every other person she meets on the street... I know she'd have to call this to the kids of most of my colleagues on the trading floor".
Am I being overly sensitive about this? I don't think so. Anchor baby is obviously a loaded term. In my culture it's considered impolite to even refer to someone as "he" or "she" instead of by his/her name if that person is present (mothers will correct this with a stern: "el/ella tiene su nombre" ("he/she has a name"). So, I find it beyond rude to refer to a stranger's kid by a label, even if it were a less emotionally loaded one (think about it: how would you feel if a stranger refer to your kids as "child tax credit babies" or something like that?) Calling someone's kids "anchor babies" seems almost unfathomable. (Think of the inherent chauvinism/xenophobia in assuming that because we are speaking a foreign language and look non-American we: a) are here illegally, b) had our babies in the US in order to one day get American citizenship ourselves and live-off the generosity of American tax payers).
I'm not even dealing with politics here, but with mere politeness. What drives an apparently otherwise normal person (I wish I could report that our harraser was an obviously fringe character or displayed obvious signs of ignorance and unsophistication, in fact, she seemed like an average New Yorker) to harrass a person she doesn't know like this? I agree that American style political correctness can at times be almost grotesquely funny, but I much prefer it to insensitive name calling and labelling. Labelling is oftentimes the first step in dehumanizing the "other", which is a dangerous slippery slope (Milgram, the psychologist, in a lesser known variation of his famous -or infamous- experiment, showed that people were much more likely to voluntarily harm a stranger that had done no harm to them if they "accidentally" overheard the researcher using a derisive label in referring to the stranger). I obviously don't want to take this argument too far. I think I am already giving way too much importance to the hateful words of a random stranger as it stands. However, I do think both sides of the immigration debate need to tone down the rethoric. There are clearly valid arguments on both sides, but labelling and name calling are utterly unhelpful and will only lead to further polarization.
As an aside, I think the concept of anchor babies is largely a myth. First of all, having an American baby will not necessarily save an illegal alien from deportation, as it has been clearly established by well publicized cases. Second, an anchor baby cannot really apply for a green card for his/her parents until after he/she is 18. After that, there's usually a long wait of several years before parents can get permanent residence. Finally, having an "anchor baby" does not give the parent rights to receive social security payments, etc. I really don't think that illegal aliens that are having babies in the US are doing so in order to get a green card 30 years down the road. There are other myths that are used by both sides in this debate (another one that comes to mind is that illegal immigrants are draining social security funds, when in fact, it's well documented that the social security administration records a significant amount of social security contributions that were made under a false SSN and therefore cannot be claimed by the people who made such contributions, so illegal immigrants are in fact subsidizing social security). Well, I said I did not want to get into politics. Besides, it's unfair because I'm only giving one side of the argument here. As I've said, there are valid arguments to both sides. I'm all for fair and objective debate of these arguments, but ad hominem attacks and labelling are clearly not constructive.
I realize that in the big scheme of things, these woman's comment is not a big deal. As I said, I'm usually pretty hard skinned, but perhaps the fact that this involved my kids (however tangentially) made me react strongly to this person's insensitivity and prejudice. I too have wondered whether there were other factors that drove this person to act the way she did. I don't tend to divide the world into demons and angels, and know full well that the capacity for evil resides within each of us (I recently read the Lucifer Effect, which deals with this subject). If anything, I blame the rethorical excesses involved in the current immigration debate. I happen to notice the excesses incurred by one of the sides in the debate, simply because I'm much more attuned to the arguments of the other side, but I'm sure both sides engage in this to some degree.
Finally, let me clarify that my rant is in no way intended as an indictment of an entire country. In all fairness I have to say that this is the first time in my 10 years in this country that I've directly experienced something close to xenophobia. I consider myself a New Yorker (after 10 years here you'd expect that) and have many good friends in this city and this country. I also realize that prejudice is, alas, prevalent among different cultures. I've traveled extensively for work and pleasure and have lived and worked in three countries and two continents. I have very good friends in each of those countries. I have encountered many examples of garden-variety rudeness, but fortunately have not personally often seen the ugly face of overt prejudice.
I apologize for the rant. I feel better already.
Thanks,
It probably belongs in “Chat”.
Politeness is indeed the issue. Starting a conversation with a total stranger in order to insult him is considered rude, even in the big city.
In this climate they are kicking illegals and their US citizen babies over the border, so not only was that woman’s comment insulting, but highly inaccurate in many ways.
Kind of the worst of everything from that lady.
Bummer, dude. All my norwegian forebears were forced out of the city when they came through, and headed on west to South Dakota. So, you got slighted. You know you are in the right. Deal.
Yeah, it may not be right, but like Forrest Gump says, “It happens.”
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Lo siento pero es, IMO, muy boring after the 3rd paragraphico. No insult to you or your family, just my comment on the article. All the best you you all.
Lot's of rudeness going around these days I guess.
Complete distortion. While the parents may not be eligible, the child is. Many foreign nationals are receiving government benefits on behalf of their child.
With such an obvious warping of the facts above, I wonder what other part of your essay is also warped/inaccurate? You don't happen to know any of the folks who have been telling their hardship stories to Harry Reid, et al., do you?
You’ve lived in New York City for 10 years and this is the worst thing that’s happened to you? I would count my blessings, if I were you.
I wouldn’t take it personally.
When we lived in Scarsdale, my wife used to walk along the streets with a couple of kids in a stroller, and maybe another on her back. (Actually, we have a lot of kids.) Once or twice a lady in a cadillac would come by, roll down her window, and tell my wife in a rude voice that she should be ashamed of herself for having so many kids, polluting the environment, and contributing to the population crisis.
I don’t remember if my wife answered her, but she certainly deserved a few rude words in return.
Maybe it’s just me, but even having taken years of spanish in school (by choice, mind you) I wouldn’t insult a spanish speaker and American citizen by butchering their language. Criticize the article sure, but damn. He’s well-spoken and legal, show some respect.
But my friend you are not an American living in Mexico are visiting Mexico, you are an American living in America walking down an American street. Think about it!
Thank 12+ million of your countrymen who came here illegally for rubbing the rhubarb of citizens and legal immigrants...
If you’re permanent residents why would your kids have dual citizenship?
seems to me a lot of immigrants want their country here.
It’s America-try to speak English in public and assimmilate
I guess it is pretty safe to say we must have one hell of country and those that came here legally and work here legally are welcomed every day.
PS
I am a gringo and my wife is from Mexico. The looks my wife gets from other Mexicans that do not know us are "not very pleasant." This even happened to us once in Spain. Because she is with a gringo it was assumed she was a hooker. However, in all honesty this is a very rare occurrence. She is actually a graduate of University of Texas and a computer engineer, a US citizen and loyal American. We speak English at work, mostly English at home but when her relatives are visiting it is all Spanish. The best advice I can give is ignore the ignorant.
This is why I don’t understand why there isn’t overwhelming anger on the part of people who became naturalized citizens based on following the law. I’d think they’d want to give the bums rush to illegals more than ANYONE else. The media lumping legitimate citizens and illegals in one big group is disgusting and reprehensible.
I'll usually turn to whomever I'm walking with, slightly nod toward the Spanish-(or any other language, for that matter)-speakers, rattle off a little bit of Anglo-Saxon or Old Icelandic, and then grin knowingly. It's soooo funny to watch them get furious over what they themselves were just doing.
However, if a Foreigner is in this country LEGALLY, and a child is born to that Foreigner on U.S. soil, there STILL is no common sense way that the child is any more than a FOREIGN citizen until citizenship is petitioned and completed, period. The mis-interpretation of the Constitution on the words "any person born" was not intended to include Foreign Nationals, but rather to the sons and daughters born to Americans. Lawyers decided that common sense has no place in the interpretation, and that the Framers' intent didn't matter; the WORD they used was interpreted incorrectly at their urging, and we're stuck with American Citizens' tax dollars now supporting ANCHOR BABIES that number in the millions now, and paying their medical bills, funding their education, etc. ANYONE who can sneak across the border to have a baby successfully guarantees the benefits for their child of taxpayer-funded freebies.
That said, you and your wife are here legally. Yall followed the law. Does it bother you that others don't?
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