Your problem is obvious JulieAnnie. At least Pataki has his head out in the fresh air.
Rudy’s right on attitude.
He’s just too wrong, too often, on too many issues.
Too bad.
Yes, while still not perfect, a .45 ACP, .40 S&W or even 9 mm handgun is much better for defending oneself. A guy high on drugs will just shrug off the pepper spray. It'll only make him madder.
OTOH, some of the thugs from Mexico and other central American countries, and also Cajun Crooks, might be distracted when they look for their chips in order to take advantage of the free condiment.
Giuliani never met an anti self defense measure he didn’t like.
I guess the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply in NY?
Screw living there.
Ping to folks on other Giuliani gun threads — more proof that Giuliani didn’t merely inherit gun laws that he would have opposed if he could, since he opposed even non-lethal methods of self-defense.
If Giuliani gets the nomination, it’s not going to be difficult for pretty much any donk to run to his right on self-defense issues.
A tear gas pen may have saved my life in 1981. I was still living in Manhattan then. On the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend, I was home in my apartment when a burglar (junky) pried open the gate across the fire escape and came in my apartment.
A few months before I had bought a tear gas pen in Connecticut. As the punk was crawling under the grate I sprayed him in the face really good several times from a distance of about three feet. It slowed him down enough that I was then able to run out my apartment door and downstairs. He followed me down to the sidewalk as fast as he could. He stood on the sidewalk cursing me and threatening me with the crowbar he had used to get in. I was able to spray him a couple of more times directly in the eyes from a distance of about 10 feet. Then he took off running.
When the cops finally came they acted like they didn’t hear me when I told them about the tear gas pen. The passage of this bill will probably save many lives.
Comprehensive List of Handguns *NOT* Outlawed by Mayor Rudy Giuliani
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806614/posts
BFD
What a friggin' authoritarian control freak. Rudy would impose a police state on America.
“Giuliani appears to be a radical opponent of our God-given right to defend ourselves”
Amen to THAT !!
I think Rudy may surprise a lot of detractors on this issue. Note his supportive statements re the recent DC Circuit Court decision.
Rudy didn’t just inherit gun control laws, he also inherited anti-criminal control laws, along with the judges and politicians who supported them. Rudy is no friend of criminals, and if he could have had his way in NYC, he’d have had them all locked up ‘til they were too old to even think about mugging or raping or murdering somebody, or exxecuted. But he didn’t have his way on that, and neither did mayors of other crime-ridden big cities all over the country. The powerful, nationwide political and social forces which brought us the ever-expanding welfare state also brought a “justice” system which involved endless second chances, ridiculously short sentences even for repeat offenders, decades-long taxpayer-funded appeals processes for death sentences, and routine plea bargains and getting off on technicalities.
Rudy did a heck of a lot better than his predecessors in getting criminals off the street, but he was very much limited by the “justice” system. His positions on gun laws and other weapons laws for NYC were formulated against an unchangeable (as far as his terms were concerned) backdrop of a huge population of violent criminals roaming the streets. That situation is just as unconstitutional as gun control laws, but the federal courts — not Rudy — were the source of most of the criminal-coddling interpretaions of law. Given the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court judges, Rudy is NOT going to appoint the sort of idiots who decided that vicious murderers should get off scot free if they weren’t read their “Miranda rights” before they were questioned. The reality of having veteran murderers and organized gangsters running all over the streets of a crowded city is not irrelevant to practical decision-making about near-term gun and weapons laws.
Personally, I’m from the school of thought which advocates curbing the criminal population through a policy of “shoot on sight and shoot to kill”. But with the legal and demographic situation that Rudy inherited in NYC, including a law-abiding population that was (and still is) overwhelmingly in favor of extreme gun control laws and overwhelmingly ignorant of how to operate a gun, just suddenly declaring open season on criminals and lifting all gun control laws would not have had the desired effect. It would have led to a sudden increase in violent crime committed with guns, followed immediately by a huge resurgence in popular demand for “more gun control”.
“Still, opponents of the law, including Mayor Giuliani and Police Commissioner Howard Safir, have expressed concerns that the sprays might fall into the hands of criminals or be misused by citizens who lack proper training.”
Wonder how he would feel about pepper spray against attacking bears.
These elitists are so transparent.
Carolyn