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To: Secret Agent Man
Your comments are in error. Just for starters,teachers are shuffled around all of the time within their districts and/or in the same areas,to say nothing of the ones who are caught,counseled and leave for places unknown.

With regards to other denominations,many small churches are independent or members of a loose federation of churches and ministers/pastors/preachers can move to different locations and set up a church there.

Whether Episcopalians,Presbyterians,Methodists and other non Catholic churches do the same is not yet known. If their pockets were deeper and their fall likely to egregiously wound those who believe in God they would be in the same boat most likely.

The priesthood allows men to sacrifice a big part of themselves to serve God. When one is married,one doesn't give up a portion of themselves as a gift. If you read the Gospels it seems clear that none of the Apostles were married at the time they were chosen. My husband predeceased me and it is likely that the only Apostle that is pointed to as having been married (Peter) probably outlived his wife and was taking care of his mother in law.

You seems to have an animosity to the Church,I hope you will consider some of what I have said and rethink your position. If you are a Christian,I hope you know we are all under attack and if we don't stand together,we will fall one by one. Why do you think it was so important to Jesus that we be as One,as He and the Father were One?

72 posted on 07/17/2007 5:38:01 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity

I will say that independent churches (single, on their own) may have a harder time at telling other churches about such a pastor, but that would not stop them from removing the pastor and filing charges against them. Those pastors would not have a centralized structure helping them out to place them somewhere else.

You also cite this as something that must happen all the time, yet you have nothing to back up your statement. Not even one example. It is based in feeling and your personal projection of beliefs that “well they all must work this way.” Not true. I know that many independent, fundamentalist characters are portrayed negatively in films as being drunks, rapists, etc. I wonder if this has affected your worldview on the subject. Or just trying to drag every other denomination down to the level the Roman church is at presently.

Jesus is not in favor of Christians joining together when they disagree on the essentials of Christianity. Or in more biblical phrasing, how much error does it take to corrupt truth?

I am not saying any one denomination has a monopoly on the truth, but I am saying that you should not join with those who persist in error, despite Christian attempts to allow them to correct the error. This is no different than the Roman church’s take on it. Although I do know that my denomination never brought in shamans, zoroastrians, and medicine men to my spiritual headquarters and allowed them to pray to their gods. I do recall this occurring with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. I also have a nice picture of a female Hindi goddess woman (considered a god by her followers) blessing the forehead of Pope John Paul II with a mark during his visit there.

If other churches such as Methodists, Episcopals and such by your own words “are NOT YET KNOWN” then I guess you can’t make your blanket statement that all the other ones do it too. Thank you for refuting yourself.

You are incorrect about Peter’s wife being dead. According to the synoptic gospels (Mat 8:14; Mark 1:30; Luke 4:38) and according Paul (1Co 9:5), Peter continued to be married and to take his wife with him when he traveled. Paul’s authentic letters (certainly including Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians, and Philemon) predated the four gospels and Acts. So he provided us with the earliest written pieces of Christian history. In one of his letters to the Christian community in Corinth, he wrote:

“Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Kephas?” (NAB, 1Co 9:5)

The biblical record in Paul’s writings as well as in the gospels and Acts points to Apostles and other 1st Century Christians traveling with their wives. (Of course, Kephas, more commonly anglicized as “Cephas,” was Peter’s Aramaic name.)

Further when you read the Bible and see the qualifications of deacons, overseers and elders of the church, all are able to be married (the husband of ONE WIFE) and often (in control of his children).

History not only records Peter as married but several other popes as well: St Agatho, Hadrian II, Boniface IX.

Your own church is taking in married Episcopal priests. Yes I know there are restrictions on how far they can rise in the hierarchy, but apparently marriage is not disqualifying them from serving as Roman priests.

I have no animosity to the lay people in the Roman church. I in fact grew up in the Roman church from birth to 25; I am comfortable in my understanding of it. I pray for the people in the Roman church.

Jesus and His Father are One because they are One, and are in complete harmony and agreement with each other. You don’t have true unity if “Christian” group A holds a fundamental doctrine that is the opposite of “Christian” group B. Jesus would not be accepting of the syncretistic Roman Catholicism practiced in Central and South America, which allows for mixing parts of the native paganistic religions into Catholicism. Again, how much error are you willing to allow in?

STILL waiting for your list of groups/organizations that have been doing the same thing the Roman church has been doing for hundreds of years and getting away with it, but have not yet been caught/brought to justice.

I don’t have a problem with you personally, I don’t know you. I have a problem with people making factual statements that they can’t back up, but are based on their own perceptions and feelings. I also have problems with people taking Scripture out of context. It is clear leaders of the church were and can be married. Read 1 Timothy 3:1-12 where it talks about deacons and overseers being married. I don’t disagree that there may be some benefits to being single in leadership positions for some men who can handle it, but it was never a requirement. In fact they drew up qualifications for church leaders specifically mentioning those leaders as being married (to ONE wife). The Bible didn’t say if you took orders, to leave your family. The Bible didn’t say you can’t be a leader unless your wife is dead and you are a widow.

Read what the Bible says about the biblical qualifications of church leaders are, not what the catechism of the church has decided what the qualifications should be.


80 posted on 07/17/2007 8:31:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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