Poll: Obama, Hillary Beat GOP in '08

NewsMax.com ^ | July 19, 2007 | NewsMax

[WashingtonSource]

I don’t think Iraq is killing us. For starters, I don’t respect Fox News polling. It is almost always tiled toward Democrats. People want us to win before we get out. The Dhimmis want us to lose and get out. The GOP has a winning hand even on Iraq. They just have to play it better. The stupid Dhimmis can be portrayed as the losers they are. PLUS, the GOP can tap into public frustration with illegal aliens, if they just do it. That’s now at the top of public concerns. Indeed, I think if the GOP was stronger on the borders it would strength the President’s hand in Iraq. It’s the cognitive dissonance between Bush’s strong war on terror and his foolish support of open borders and illegal aliens that is causing a disconnect with voters across the spectrum.

[freespirited]

Early polls generally favor Democrats. This poll is of registered voters, which will also oversample Democrats.

I dont know about early polls favoring RATS, because for the last six months, GOP candidates have been besting them in trial match-ups. But as you point out, this poll clearly oversampled Democrats. At the very end you can see the numbers: 40% RAT. There is no basis to believe that 40% of the voters will be Democrats. Maybe 35%.

[FreeReign]

Before the 2006 elections many FReepers were in denial....."polls don't mean anything"......."it's too early"......"don't believe the MSM propaganda"......."the polls are cooked"........"we'll never lose both Houses of Congress"........"polls don't vote, people do".........etc., etc. Make no mistake. The data are accurate. We are headed for President HRC unless people wake up soon & stop the denial.

The DBM paid-for polls have a long history of being very wrong 1 1/2 years before an election. Even their final polls are off. In both cases they always favor the Democrats.

Rasmussen's last poll had Fred and Hillary tied. Rasmussen was right on target in '04 and '06.

I'm not saying things are peachy.

But I will ask you how often will you fall for the DBM polls?

[Republic If You Can Keep It]

But I will ask you how often will you fall for the DBM polls?

I fall for the truth.

Here it is:

1. On RealClearPolitics Hillary beats all GOP opponents over the average of the last several national polls (not just Rasmussen). She beats both Rudy & Fred & blows Romney away in a landslide.

On Intrade & the Iowa Electronic Markets the money says the GOP has about a 38% to 39% chance of winning the presidency.

Yes, I know there's more than a year to go.....very thankfully. But the average of all polls right before both the 2004 & 2006 elections was quite accurate.

Anyone who doesn't think we are in real trouble right now is in denial.

[bilhosty]

When you look back at elections after a rout like we suffered in ‘06 you Will find that the party that was on the receiving end came back two years later or just missed in a result that clearly indicated that they had at least a toss up chance. I think when you take a shellacking you usually realize that your back is against the wall and make an aggressive change. That just does not seem to be happening now.

[Uncle Hal]

I find interesting and ominous that 63% of the respondents thought that Hillary would win the election if she was the Democratic nominee. From what I recall from past elections this is a fairly accurate indicator of election outcomes. This is not good. I realize the election is 16 months away but I am getting the feeling the momentum is with Hillary. God forbid.

[pallis]

I’m hunkered down for the worst, but I don’t think Dumpy or Dumbo will win without lots of help from Bush.

[1035rep]

Even if polls were accurate it would mean nothing until we have a nominee. Right now the R vote is split between all our candidates. I think Hillary’s disapproval rating is still 57%.

[prairiebreeze]

The liberal media will never be friends to the Pubs. FoxNews notwithstanding perhaps.

Regardless it is waaay early the election is over a year away.

Watch for things to pick up some after Labor Day.

[Cowboy Bob]

Why hold an election? Shouldn’t we just declare Hillary! the winner and move on with our lives? After all, just think of all the money we can save by not having political mailings and commercials over the next 15 months.

[do the dhue]

We have seen this BS before. Coward Dean was going to be the next President. As a matter of fact, I can not recall a media front runner who has ever won the White House.

[FreeReign]

The DBM paid-for polls have a long history of being very wrong 1 1/2 years before an election. Even their final polls are off. In both cases they always favor the Democrats. Rasmussen's last poll had Fred and Hillary tied. Rasmussen was right on target in '04 and '06. I'm not saying things are peachy. But I will ask you how often will you fall for the DBM polls?

I fall for the truth. Here it is: 1. On RealClearPolitics Hillary beats all GOP opponents over the average of the last several national polls (not just Rasmussen). She beats both Rudy & Fred & blows Romney away in a landslide. On Intrade & the Iowa Electronic Markets the money says the GOP has about a 38% to 39% chance of winning the presidency. Yes, I know there's more than a year to go.....very thankfully. But the average of all polls right before both the 2004 & 2006 elections was quite accurate. Anyone who doesn't think we are in real trouble right now is in denial.

You fall for the truth? LOL!

Cite the success of the DBM polls in the 1992 and 1996 Clinton elections. Show me the data of the DBM polls used by RCP in those elections, starting a year-and-one-half before the election and ending the day before the election.

I'll wait.

[redgirlinabluestate]

I agree. We haven't even begun to fight them. We are still trying to destroy each other. :-)

For instance, when Romney came out with his observation that Obama's kindergarten sex ed was crazy, other republicans decided to attack Romney instead of Obama saying Romney also supported age-approprirate sex ed. Well, Romney's age- appropriate sex ed was in 6th, 7th and 8th grade, not kindergarten. They also conveniently forgot that Romney fought for and got abstinence education into the schools for the first time. A pretty stark contrast to what Obama was proposing. But that didn't matter.

The bottomline is, we haven't even begun to fight the dems yet. These numbers will change dramatically (we hope).

[ken21]

there’s no doubt that bush-boy is helping elect a democrap president.

[Lexinom]

If the general election were held today, for whom would you vote?

Well, good for America that the election isn't today. Specifically, it's good for our nation that our nation will get many months to see Hillary contrasted side-by-side with any conservative of even modest moral fiber.

[Lexinom]

Sex ed is for your wedding night, no sooner. There's no reason to discuss these things, and the fact we are is fallout from the sexual revolution in the 1960's. There are far better things to which a noble and just people can devote their time and efforts. (We are a noble and just people...right? hello? :( )

[hunter112]

Right now most voters haven't heard much about Hillary's/Obama's liberalism. The MSM won't get the story about them out to the voters. The Republican candidate will have to do the job.

It would be silly to deal with it now. Let the Rats dig up the dirt on each other, the real tidbits will be juicier in the fall of 2008. Anything brought up now can be labeled 'old news' by the Rat candidate at that future date.

Let the Rats saddle themselves with someone unelectable.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Iraq will take care of itself if the Democrats quit interfering with our mission there.

Quit interfering with our mission there? That's their primary strategy for winning in 2008.

[WOSG]

So far the both Barack and Hilliary have proposed:

1. A new firearms ban
2. largest tax increase in history
3. appearances at a “gays only” forum
4. weakness in the war on terror.
5. Hilliary voted infavor Amnesty for Illegals.

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Obama voted as well not only for amnesty for illegals but for making a very bad bill even worse.

Our real problem and risk as a free-loving people is that such idiocy isn’t laughed off the national stage.

[Republic If You Can Keep It]

I'll wait.

Yeah, I'm waiting too.......for you to answer any of my points above.

I'll say it again.....

The average of all polls prior to the 2004 & 2006 elections was a good predictor of the outcome.

The money is on Hillary & the Dems....as the futures websites verify.

Rush says 80% chance she wins.

63% of the country expects her to win.

If you're not worried, OK!