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Iraq isn't Vietnam, Henry(Max Boot)
los angeles times ^ | July 22, 2007 | Max Boot

Posted on 07/22/2007 5:18:09 PM PDT by kellynla

As congress debates the war in Iraq, it's becoming clear that many lawmakers want to bring the troops home while avoiding the likely consequences -- a ruinous civil war and a calamitous victory for Iran and Al Qaeda. This has led to much pining for some kind of negotiated solution -- what the Iraq Study Group called a "new diplomatic offensive" -- that might allow us a graceful exit.

Enter Henry Kissinger, the octogenarian "wise man" who is an advisor to President Bush. While rightly stressing that a "precipitate withdrawal" of U.S. forces would result in a "geopolitical calamity," he suggested in a recent syndicated column that "a sustainable political end to the conflict" can be achieved not through military action but through "wise and determined American diplomacy" that engages everyone from internal Iraqi players to Iran and Indonesia.

He didn't mention it in the column, but there is little doubt that Kissinger had in mind his own actions in negotiating the 1973 Paris peace accords that ended direct U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War. Indeed, some of his previous essays -- including one that ran in this paper in May -- have been explicit in citing his own experience as a model to learn from.

How seriously should we take him? Is it really possible that a super-skilled secretary of State -- someone like, umm, Henry Kissinger -- could deliver "peace with honor" today? It didn't work the last time around. Why should it work now?

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: iraq; kissinger; maxboot; war

1 posted on 07/22/2007 5:18:12 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: SandRat; freema

ping


2 posted on 07/22/2007 5:19:25 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Kissinger is over the Hill.


3 posted on 07/22/2007 5:20:19 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: kellynla

IMO, if we cut and run again, America will look like a paper tiger and all our enemies will come knocking guaranteeing another 9/11. At some point, the American people are going to have to face the reality that we, the American people, are at war with extremist that want to destroy our way of life. Iraq or no Iraq that fact will not change.


4 posted on 07/22/2007 5:23:24 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

well said!


5 posted on 07/22/2007 5:24:36 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

How doe we negotiate with people who are hiding? Which cave do we go to? Tell me and I’ll send a hellfire missle. LOL


6 posted on 07/22/2007 5:25:27 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: golfisnr1
Henry tried, but he taught us a good lesson. That is that some parties to a negotiation are skilled liars and have no intention of adhering to any bargains.

Those are the guys atom bombs are made for.

Flip a couple of thousand giga-metatons at 'em and the next guys down the line will negotiate on request.

Short of that, an intransigent enemy is an intransigent enemy.

I think the Democrats inability to understand this comes from acute braindamage caused by too much dope as well as Twinky poisoning.

THere's no other way they could be so stupid.

7 posted on 07/22/2007 5:26:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kellynla

The Iraq war defeatists and appeasers are doing all they can to turn Iraq into a Vietnam.


8 posted on 07/22/2007 5:33:53 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: kellynla

Iraq is not Vietnam but it will become Cambodia if the Dems get their way.


9 posted on 07/22/2007 5:35:50 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: kellynla

bttt


10 posted on 07/22/2007 5:36:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Bump!


11 posted on 07/22/2007 5:39:24 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: kellynla
He didn't mention it in the column, but there is little doubt that Kissinger had in mind his own actions in negotiating the 1973 Paris peace accords that ended direct U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War.

Survivor's Guilt

12 posted on 07/22/2007 5:56:59 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, NIECE)
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To: kellynla

Hey Kissassenger, go polish your Peace Prize that cost 2 million SE Asian lives.

Pray for W and Our Troops


13 posted on 07/22/2007 6:04:16 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: golfisnr1
Kissinger is over the Hill.”

Kind sir, I submit that Henry Kissinger has probably done more damage to the Republic than any 10 other State and NSC misfits.

This power-mad megalomaniacal control freak so isolated the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in 1972 — during the Paris Peace talks vis Viet Nam — that Admiral Tom Moorer (my old boss, just prior), the CJCS, had to acquiesce to the pilfering of Kissinger’s briefcases by a “black operation” to ensure that the Military Services were appropriately aware of commitments Kissinger made to to the North Vietnamese.

As an aside, the operation was found out, but The Chairman was so well respected — and Nixon was so neutered by Watergate — that he survived unscathed!

(This stor is absolutely true -- and a bit more complicated than set forth herein, but it has been validated by a number of credible sources over the years.) That is the Kissinger I knew. Pox on the bum! He has grossly and consistently ill-served our Republic’s best interests.

14 posted on 07/22/2007 6:23:39 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: All; Kid Shelleen

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Long ago Sen. TED KENNEDY’s pushing a post-WATERGATE Congress into cutting off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese to fight for their own Freedom with =

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

..”JOURNEY from the FALL”.. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

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What Price for the still Free (that’s US) to pay this time around, I wonder..?

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15 posted on 07/22/2007 6:43:10 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
. At some point, the American people are going to have to face the reality that we, the American people, are at war with extremist that want to destroy our way of life. Iraq or no Iraq that fact will not change.

We have to declare war and name names then fight it to win.
The current strategy is not working.

16 posted on 07/22/2007 6:47:11 PM PDT by JoinJuniorAchievement ( I am a Veteran, I support Ron Paul.")
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To: ExTexasRedhead
At some point, the American people are going to have to face the reality that we, the American people, are at war with extremist that want to destroy our way of life.

Christopher Hitchens is right: Our greatest asset in this war is that our enemies are not appeasable. Sooner or later we will be forced out of our slumber. The only question: How many of our innocents will need to die first.

17 posted on 07/22/2007 6:48:38 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: kellynla

I can’t help but remember that Kissinger’s “Peace With Honor” cost about three million Southeast Asians their lives after we left.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed.


18 posted on 07/22/2007 7:15:57 PM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Thank you. Very much. Lets see how many Iraqis die if we leave...And just sit back and say “We told you so”. Liberal yellow BASTARDS!


19 posted on 07/22/2007 7:45:51 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Mad_as_heck
Christopher Hitchens is right:...

Hitchens also argues that Kissinger is a war criminal. Is he right about that?

20 posted on 07/22/2007 8:25:42 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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Under Truman, we freed South Korea in 1945 and abandoned it in 1949.

In 1950, Truman sent troops back to South Korea to free it from the Communist North Korean army of Kim il-Sung which had invaded and occupied most of S. Korea earlier that year.

30,000 Americans died in the remaining 30 months of Truman's presidency, because we had abandoned S. Korea prematurely instead of lingering there like we did in Germany and Japan.

21 posted on 07/23/2007 5:05:48 AM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53).)
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To: kellynla

I always like reading Max Boot. Thanks for finding and posting.

“Skilled diplomacy can consolidate the results of military success but can seldom make up for its lack. ...
The only thing that could conceivably alter their calculations is a change in the balance of power on the ground. That is what Army Gen. David Petraeus is trying to achieve. But he is being undermined by incessant withdrawal demands from home, which are convincing our enemies that they can wait us out.”


22 posted on 07/23/2007 5:22:39 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian communist empire despite the Democratic Party)
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To: ChessExpert
You’re very welcome.
Max Boot is one of the few bright lights on the LAT editorial pages. Especially since the LAT canceled Michael Ramirez’s political cartoons which were the ONLY reason I had previously checked out the op/ed pages of the LAT in the past.
23 posted on 07/23/2007 8:36:27 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Hitchens also argues that Kissinger is a war criminal. Is he right about that?

Although I'm not a big fan of Kissinger: No. Hitchens is equally off base with his criticisms of Israel. He is a genuine hard core leftist with all the wrongness that entails on so many issues: It is also what makes his brave opposition to Islamicism so worthy of recognition and praise.

24 posted on 07/23/2007 12:27:58 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: ChessExpert; kellynla

Yes, this was an outstanding OpEd. I thoroughly enjoyed it, as it was educational & informative while at the same time being an intriguing read. I emailed it out to the Move America Forward staff universe as I think they all will find it a worthwhile read as well. Thanks much for posting it here at FR.


25 posted on 07/24/2007 9:33:32 AM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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