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The Bush Administration’s Secret Secret
contentions ^ | 7.23.2007 | Gabriel Schoenfeld

Posted on 07/23/2007 9:26:40 AM PDT by Contentions

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To: ravingnutter

That was a great run down. Thanks.


41 posted on 07/23/2007 10:36:48 AM PDT by rhombus
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helen....I wish YOU were a secret.


42 posted on 07/23/2007 10:58:20 AM PDT by cubreporter ( Rush has done more for our country from where he sits than anyone will ever know.)
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To: DBrow

So I guess the idea is that they were purposely put in the line of fire so they could be taken out? I could see this happening....

This was just an aspect of the Waco fiasco I am unfamiliar with.


43 posted on 07/23/2007 11:25:06 AM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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Uhhh...If Bush is so secretive...

How do they KNOW he’s so secretive?

44 posted on 07/23/2007 11:25:42 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (...."We're the govt, and we're here to hurt."....)
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As some have noted, the cries about secrecy translate into lack of access.
And shockingly, those most hostile are not able to find leakers so they can twist the information to their liking.

They are left with nothing and just manufacture what they can. And when not, they twist and distort what is available.

Just watch any press conference and then how it’s reported a day later.


45 posted on 07/23/2007 11:34:13 AM PDT by romanesq
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If this administration is secretive it is because there have been so many leaks by career bureaucrats for partisan political purposes, leaks that have compromised national security. The Clinton administration used IRS audits, shredders, Janet Reno, Jamie Goerelick and a private goon squad to silence witnesses and destroy evidence or obstruct justice. The Clintons weren’t trying to protect national security but to cover up the sleazy dealings of themselves, their families and cronies.


46 posted on 07/23/2007 11:37:31 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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the most . . . in history

Whatever. Everything is the most, the biggest, the worst superlative ever anymore. We need something even more bigger than superlative to contain modern meaning inflation.

47 posted on 07/23/2007 11:38:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: statered
That was the clear message from the Linda Thompson videos. I don’t know, myself, I am skeptical of all Waco stories. Her footage of the event shows four guys running up a ladder followed by a fifth. Last guy has an AD into his leg or boot or something, anyway he does not do the “dynamic entry” into the second floor window from the roof, he stays behind as the four mentioned below smash in.

A little later he pulls the pin on something and chucks it in the window, then follows it up with a long burst from a subgun of some sort into the room. Return fire through the wall knocks his helmet and he stops firing. He gets back down the ladder and retreats.

The four guys who made the initial assault are dead and all got autopsied by a private doctor. They are the only federal deaths at Waco.

As it turns out all had been Clinton bodyguards at the state level and as feds during the primaries.

Steve Willis

Robert Williams

Conway LeBleu

Todd McKeehan

Clinton spoke at Treasury March 18, 1993, it’s not at the treasury site anymore but will be in the Presidential Archives under that date (unless Winston Smith pushed that into the memory hole too, but the archives have been OK afaik).

48 posted on 07/23/2007 11:39:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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‘Helen Thomas of UPI says “[t]his is the most secretive administration I have ever covered.” ‘

I’ve noticed the reporters and columnists that make this particular claim all have one thing in common.

They haven’t ‘broke’ a story since the Lyndon Johnson administration.

Coincidence, or just a list of reporters making excuses for their own incompetence?

Worth considering.


49 posted on 07/23/2007 11:40:21 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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“Is Bush really so secretive, and if so, so what?”

So what? Last I checked we lived in a democracy where the ruling government has to be accountable to us. If secrecy is the norm, how can we ever hold them accountable for what they do?

And no...I am not that naive to claim that ALL things must be put out in the open. There are things, if publicized, that will jeopardize the safety of our nation. Secrets, at times, are necessary. Such as in times of war.

But in response to those that claim that a lot of the secrets stem from the necessities of war, do take a look at the instances when our administration has decided to keep information out of reach of the general public and/or Congress:

1. The withholding of real cost of Medicare Drug Expansion
2. Cheney energy task force
3. 2002 intervention on publication of EPA’s report on mercury and children’s health
4. Executive order to limit access to previous presidential records.
5. FCC media ownership study
6. Labor Department’s Mine Safety and Health Administration stopped disclosing information to the press and the public about the results of mine safety inspections.
7. After faulty Firestone tires on Ford SUVs caused hundreds of deaths and accidents, Congress enacted a new auto and tire safety law. It included a requirement that manufacturers submit safety data to the government. Nevertheless, auto and tire manufacturers lobbied the Bush administration successfully to keep this information secret.

The list is by no means exhaustive.

And yes. Politics is politics is politics.
Politicians will always lie, distort, hide, and be secretive - be they Republicans or Democrats.
It is thus OUR job to make sure they don’t.


50 posted on 07/23/2007 12:44:58 PM PDT by jc101
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So did they all get the DNC memo at the same time? Kind of like when they were all concerned about Bush's gravitas?
51 posted on 07/23/2007 2:34:15 PM PDT by SuziQ
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How do they KNOW he’s so secretive?

That, my friend, is another secret.

52 posted on 07/23/2007 2:37:15 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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