Posted on 07/23/2007 11:42:37 AM PDT by Scythian
Like a frog in pot, we have boiled and not noticed. The Democratic Party is so far left that the Republican party now stands where the Democratic party used to be. Just take a look at our current President. This is the reason why many are so frustrated. It's not the Republican party that needs to change, a new party must be born.
The Republican party is what we grew up thinking the Democratic party was (not is now). Either a new party will be born or the frog is going to die, slow boiled until it's too late. Anyone agree? We have changed so much and not even realized it.
A good example is JFK -
Largest tax cuts in American history
Pro-gun (NRA Life Member)
Anticommunist and not afraid to use troops for America’s national interest
Anti-abortion (we can assume by being a ardent Roman Catholic)
JFK would be shunned by the left today...
“we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”
“To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required”
“lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.”
“Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free.”
— JFK, neocon?
the two party system exists to divide and conquer.........US
Agree on your prognosis... but not on the prescription. The Republican party must be cleansed of its RINO's... and the Democrat party MUST BE addressed as the SOCIALIST-DEMOCRAT PARTY.
Exactly, I’d vote for JFK today no problem. We are so far lost that we cannot even see it, it’s been so gradual but not it’s un-mistakeable, the Republican party stands far left of where JFK stood.
I no longer trust the Republican Party. The Constitution Party would probably sell Israel out. The Libertarians might do almost anything. So, yeah, I’m out of a Party now. I was purged.
Think about it. Democrat against Republican, liberal against conservative, gun owner against gun grabber, rich against poor, educated against uneducated, it goes on and on.
It is fruitless to try for a third-party effort; a study of history shows no success in any third-party effort being successful. History shows that third-parties can dilute the effectiveness of a majority party. Review what happened when Teddy Roosevelt decided to run a third-party effort, and the result was the election of Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
Mike Medved has repeatedly discussed the negative effects of third party efforts. He makes many cogent points that are, in my opinion, irrefutible.
Ultimately - it takes less effort to turn the existing party to conservative than it would to create a stand-alone successful party. Assume 60% of people would lean Republican, and 1/2 are very conservative and 1/2 are RINOs. If the 2 halfs agree to work together, they can solidly defeat Democrats (the other 40%). But if split apart, the two each poll 30% and are defeated by the 40% (back to the W.Wilson/Roosevelt problem where the Republicans could have won had the third party effort not split the votes.)
Ultiimately, there is a necessity for the RINOs and Conservatives to agree on some principles (hard for RINOs) - but if they can do so, they will gain more than if they each go their own way.
Mike
Martinez et al, are not revolutionaries.
New party or same old losing to the dems in Conservative clothes.
Federalist party then, perhaps?
We realize it; a Kennedy democrat would now be an extreme right-winger.
Go for your third party and see how well that works out. You better start with some basic principles and see if you can make them into policies that aren’t just platitudes. It’s a heck of a lot harder to rule as a majority party than to just obstruct and make noise as a minority party (as the Democrats are now finding out). I’m not convinced the malcontents could agree on anything - let alone a candidate to win elections. Remember how the “Reformed” party became the Deformed party? It’s because the only thing that unified them was they didn’t like the status quo. Then of course there was John Anderson. Does anyone even remember him or what his major issue was all about? And then there was George Wallace who helped elect Nixon by tapping off Southern Democrats. You need a little more than just a “throw the bums out” platform to get people to vote for you. But don’t take my word - go for it. I’ll pop the corn.
A new party won't help when the electorate is firmly convinced by decades of public school brainwashing that they can in fact have something for nothing.
The movie was funny, Washington D.C. is NOT...
How about a Federalist Republican? ( Fred Thompson)
LMAO... then you'll really experience losing... the perpetual variety.
The People's Party - for a new People's Republic.
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