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No Charges for Hurricane Katrina Doctor Accused of Murdering Patients
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| 7/25/07
| John Jalsevac
Posted on 07/25/2007 4:17:23 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: P-40
The TRUTH is that grand juries make mistakes.
I am curious about why you are so reluctant to answer my question.
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posted on
07/25/2007 4:59:37 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: hophead
Stayed with the patient. Of course. It would never have even occurred to me to kill the patient so that I could go home. Even abandoning the patient would have been better than killing them.
Did it never occur to anyone to ASK THE PATIENT what they wanted done?
Are you saying that you would have down what this doctor did?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:01:23 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: wagglebee
I am curious about why you are so reluctant to answer my question.
Not much point in trying to reason with someone that pronounces people guilty based on their feelings, now is it?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:04:00 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: wagglebee
Oh, give it a break! These people were doing pain management. You can go ahead and pontificate about ‘murder” while you know nothing about the situation.
This is NOT a slippery slope...this is about providing pain management to terminal patients, something YOU know nothing about.
Your type critics make me sick...you are the types that bring on euthanesia cause this country can not let doctors do effective pain management! Hospice does this kind of treatment ALL the time, no slippery slope there.
Bloviating people who have an ax to grind create more harm than good cause now with this lawsuit we have to deal with all the fools who won’t give adequate care to patients.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:06:52 PM PDT
by
Recovering Ex-hippie
(The truth about men who watch or set up dogfights.......they can't get it up !)
To: wagglebee
“I would not have killed them.”
What would you have done? Simple question.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:07:32 PM PDT
by
hophead
("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
To: P-40
Did they administer lethal doses of drugs or not? Yes or no?
Did these lethal doses of drugs cause the patients' death? Yes or no?
Were these lethal doses of drugs given in order to cause or hasten death? Yes or no?
Was there a lack of consent from the patients to use lethal doses of drugs? Yes or no? (I suppose that some were unable to consent due to their condition.)
If the answer to these questions is "yes," then I call it murder, not matter what justification the doctor has about how horrible the conditions were.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:07:32 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Did this “pain management” kill the patients? Did the patients consent to this type of pain management?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:09:35 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: wagglebee
And the slippery slope gets a little slicker.Yes and in the future some loving, caring nurse's aide who doesn't want a patient to suffer will administer a 'potentially' lethal dose of morphine OR absent the nurse's aide, maybe a caring janitor who flunked out of pre-med.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:09:47 PM PDT
by
PISANO
(There is NO security & there can be none as long as there are suicide bombers!!)
To: hophead
Simple answer. Stayed with the patient. Not kill the patient. Just what was so important that would justify killing a patient?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:10:59 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: Iwo Jima
If the answer to these questions is "yes," then I call it murder
Then there would be a lot of doctors in prison right now...
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:11:14 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
So what’s it feel like to have no conscience?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:11:54 PM PDT
by
darkangel82
(Socialism is NOT an American value.)
To: darkangel82
I wouldn’t know. What is total detachment from reality like?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:13:11 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
You tell me, you would know first hand.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:14:44 PM PDT
by
darkangel82
(Socialism is NOT an American value.)
To: darkangel82
Nope. I wouldn’t know at all. I don’t have an easy chair and I’m too busy on Monday mornings for quarter-backing.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:16:20 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
I don’t think so, but if that’s the case, so be it. We can’t allow them to continue to practice medicine, can we?
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:16:37 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: Iwo Jima
“Even abandoning the patient would have been better than killing them.”
REALLY? Let them possibly suffer in the heat, humidity and stench of death, without ANY hope of being saved? That is just cruel. Do you REALLY believe that this doctor WANTED these people to die? That she had evil intent in her heart?
“ASK THE PATIENT”??? I have never read what these patients were being treated for, have you? Were they even ambulatory? Were they CAPABLE of giving consent? I don’t remember reading the answers to these questions. With what I have read, I have to give the doctor the benefit of the doubt.
You nor I know what was in her heart.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:16:44 PM PDT
by
hophead
("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
To: wagglebee
They were without sanitation, without utilities, limited supplies--a monstous situation, almost as bad as combat. I don't believe any murder took place, but I'm not surprised some patients died and that it would look suspicious.
Such "cocktails" are also sedatives and pain-relievers. Using them hastens death. They were likely administered under less-than-optimal cirumstances, since they were deprived of their usual technologies. If you want to call that murder...
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:16:58 PM PDT
by
Mamzelle
(Down with Mel Martinez)
To: P-40
So what you’re saying is “sure it was murder, but they’re doctors, and these people were likely to die anyway.” You’re not denying that this doctor really did kill her patients. You’re just saying she had a good reason.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:18:37 PM PDT
by
Iwo Jima
("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
To: Iwo Jima
Don’t waste your time arguing with these psychos, IJ. It’s a waste of time.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:19:49 PM PDT
by
darkangel82
(Socialism is NOT an American value.)
To: Iwo Jima
Youre just saying she had a good reason.
The nurses claimed their intent was not to kill. Absent evidence to the contrary, real evidence and not made up stuff, that is where it stands. And to all those moralists out there, the plight of these patients was televised. You could have rescued them if you were so worried about them.
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posted on
07/25/2007 5:21:46 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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