Hasina Patel talks to Sky News
Posted on 07/27/2007 12:27:55 AM PDT by Stoat
Hasina Patel told Sky's Julie Etchingham the horrific attack on the London transport system just over two years ago changed her life forever.
She also challenged Gordon Brown's proposals for terror suspects to be quizzed for up to 56 days without charge.
It follows her own arrest and detention in the wake of the suicide bombings, which claimed the lives of 52 people and injured hundreds of others.
She said: "I think for anyone who's experienced it, like now I have, then you know how difficult it is and it's a punishment in itself.
"And for some people who are innocent, it's like you're guilty until proven innocent.
"It can affect your home because your identity, your address, a lot of the time is out there.
"It can affect your job, it affects your reputation and can completely turn your life upside down.
"So I think even before arrests are made, they should be more sure of their intelligence."
Hasina Patel revealed she lost the baby she was carrying on the morning of the attacks.
She said: "When I had the scan, the midwife she said it seems like the baby has stopped growing ... she told me I'd lost the baby."
Mrs Patel said she had experienced bleeding two days earlier and had gone to the hospital with Khan.
"When he dropped me off at home, that was the last I saw him ... he said he was just going out to see his friends."
To most people, Khan, from Dewsbury in Yorskshire, was a quiet, mild mannered man who worked with children.
In secret though, he was an extremist who intended to kill as many innocent people as possible.
Mrs Patel said she still prayed for her husband, although many found this hard to understand.
Asked about this, she replied: "I could completely understand where they come from.
"If that happened to me, or my daughter. I would never forgive him if someone did that, if they'd taken my daughter's life.
"For me to get through this life, it makes it easier for me and for my daughter, I don't want her to grow up with hatred.
"I try not to think about him or what happened too much to be honest."
She said she was happy being a Muslim in the UK but had reservations about the police following her arrest.
"I have lost a bit more faith in the police ... I'm scared of the police," she said.
Last year police revealed Khan left a note with £400, which he urged his wife to spend on their children.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Hasina Patel, thank you very much for agreeing to talk to us on Sky News, two years on since 7/7, your life must have been upside down since then, what are your reflections two years on?
HASINA PATEL:
It has been really, really difficult as you can imagine. I felt quite isolated at times really from friends and family and generally people are unsure what's going on, what happened was so huge. I don't really blame people but it has been quite a lonely time.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
How has it affected your own identity? You are talked about as Hasina Patel, the widow of Mohammed Sidique Khan, the ringleader of that plot, it is how you are identified now isn't it?
HASINA PATEL:
Yes, it feels like I have lost my own identify, that's all people know me as, as his wife. I think that's all people judge me as.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
That must be extremely difficult.
HASINA PATEL:
It is difficult, yes.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Tell me a bit about him, it must be very difficult to reflect on being this man's wife. Can you bear any of that relationship to him now you know what he did?
HASINA PATEL:
I still, I'm still trying to get my head round everything that happened, I am still really confused to be honest. It is like two different people, I can't link the two things together at all. I try and I try to piece things together in my head but I don't know, I'm still trying to come to terms with it myself.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Let's talk a bit about him. You met when you were both at university together, just tell me what he was like there and how you got together.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes, he was, he stood out because he was more mature I thought than the other lads, more into fitness and health and he used to pray five times a day, I saw potential for marriage really, he just seemed sensible and polite, that sort of thing, a good family man and he came from a good family. I always thought when I left university I wanted to settle down and we were friends at university and when we used to talk it seemed like we had the same hopes in life, we were both thinking of doing our PGCEs and working in primary school. We both liked working with children which we did later on, we both took different types of careers working with children and we were thinking of doing our PGCE at one point as well so yes, we had the same sort of hopes and dreams and it just seemed right at the time.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
It is worth saying that this was a marriage for love, it wasn't an arranged marriage. How did that sit with his family, were they not necessarily comfortable with that?
HASINA PATEL:
No, we came from different backgrounds so it wasn't as easy as it would have been if I had married someone from my Indian background because he was Pakistani but it was okay, there were a few complications but we got over it and managed to get on with both families. It was all right under the circumstances because there is a lot of pressure from the community as well when you marry into a different cultural background but we managed and we were happy at the start, yes.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
This was a man who was always very devoted to his faith, you never had any doubts about his faith?
HASINA PATEL:
He would pray and he did the kind of things I would have wanted, like pray five times a day. We decided we wanted to do our Haj before we had our children. I would say he was a good Muslim, that's what I felt he was then.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
But you didn't have any sense even at this stage, because we now know that even at this stage he was involved in something more extreme, you never had any inkling of that at all?
HASINA PATEL:
I could never have imagined in my wildest dreams, never. If we watched TV and if there was a war or you see people suffering and obviously you comment just like anybody would, it was nothing beyond what was normal, what anybody else would say. He would say I feel sorry for these people and charity and feeling sympathy for the poor is an important part of our faith, charity is one of the pillars of our religion, it is something we are brought up with from day one so we do talk about it a lot and it is obligatory to give for charity and to think about the poor.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Did he ever express any anger about Britain and the way Britain was operating in the wider world?
HASINA PATEL:
Not specifically, no. It was more like it is really bad what is going on generally, it was more overall though, never specific to any country.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
As we now know, he was consorting with people in the years that you were married to him who were eventually alongside him on 7/7 who acted as suicide bombers. Did you know any of them, did you meet any of them, what was your contact with them?
HASINA PATEL:
No, because we were trying to be good Muslims and in our religion we are told that men and women have to be segregated, I never sat in the same room with his friends, he never sat in the same room as my friends so it is a completely different life, his social life and my social life was completely separated, we would never speak.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
So you wouldn't have known if Shehzad Tanweer for example was even in the house?
HASINA PATEL:
A lot of the times I'd be out because rather than his friends come round and me having to sit upstairs because we didn't have two living rooms, if we had had two living rooms I would have sat in one room, but I used to go to my mums or go to my friends so most of the time I would go out if he said his friends were coming round, okay I'll go out then.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
It would seem from an outsider's point of view that that is quite problematic for a wife or a mother if they are concerned about the people who their husband or son is spending time, the issue of segregation is quite problematic really.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes it is, you would never really get to know their friends because you would never sit and have conversations with them or speak to them, it's not really allowed. Obviously some families are stricter than others, some people take it more seriously and some don't but a lot of people I know don't sit in the same room, it is seen as a respectful thing to keep segregated.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
If you had had any idea of what was going on would you have felt in a position to stop it do you think?
HASINA PATEL:
I would have tried to probably talk to him or if I felt his views seemed to be going a bit ? I would have said I don't understand where you're coming from, I would have tried but I would never have imagined something like this would happen. I didn't even have any inkling towards his views even going in that direction, he kept it very well hidden.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Many people would look and say how could a wife not know her husband? He was travelling to Pakistan, he was moving in very tight knit circles where the issue of jihad was becoming a stronger and stronger impetus. There have been many people that look at you, Hasina, and say how could a wife not know that that was happening? What would you say to them?
HASINA PATEL:
I can understand people who feel like that. We did used to argue a lot because he was spending more and more time away from me, sometimes for days at a time and we did have a lot of arguments and we were growing apart. I didn't really know what was going on, I knew there was something, like he seemed ? I thought maybe it is a phase, maybe he is depressed, he is always out with his friends but I couldn't put my finger on it, why he was always out and not spending a lot of time with me and my daughter.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
And you had no idea why he would be travelling to Pakistan or with whom he was travelling?
HASINA PATEL:
He has family in Pakistan and for people who come from those countries it is normal to travel back, you have family there, you have property, land, there are plenty of reasons you could be going there.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Let's fast forward a bit to the run up to what was happening before the July 7th bombings. Did you sense a shift in his character in the run up to those days? Were you very far apart from one another by then?
HASINA PATEL:
We weren't really seeing each other that often by then. He would be out, we would be arguing. I thought okay, I was really happy to find out I was pregnant again because I thought it would bring us together because the person that I knew, I knew there a good person in there somewhere and I was trying to hang on to the marriage but I think looking back there probably wasn't but I didn't know that at the time. So when I found out I was pregnant I thought okay he did love kids and he was close to [my daughter] and I thought that would bring him back, make him a bit more stable again, stay at home more, to take it more seriously that he is a father.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
We'll just redo that little bit again because you mentioned your little girl's name. So from that perspective, what change did you notice in him if any in the run up to 7/7. You had one little girl at home, you had always been very happy with him I think as a father and you found out you were pregnant again.
HASINA PATEL:
I was happy to find out I was pregnant again. I thought maybe because of that he would start spending more time with us, I really did want the marriage to work but looking back I can see that maybe he obviously didn't or it wasn't a priority in his life but I was trying to hang on to the marriage and I knew because of what he was when we got married that there was a good person in there somewhere and I thought that would bring us closer together again.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Let's talk about those couple of days before 7/7 when he simply went missing. Tell me about it.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes. I saw him on the Tuesday. I was bleeding, I phoned the hospital and they said it could be a miscarriage or something so we went down to the hospital together on Tuesday. They said it was a threatened miscarriage but because my first pregnancy had gone well everything would be okay but he did seem really worried and anxious so I thought obviously it was because I might be having a miscarriage. He did seem really worried and seemed relieved when they said it was only threatened, it wasn't definite and they would book me back in two weeks for a scan. I was really worried, I kept saying I can't believe this happening, nothing like this happened before and he said no, it will be all right, he did look worried still. He dropped me off at home and that was the last time I saw him.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
So you had just got back from the hospital and then he went.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes, he said he was going out to see his friends.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
What was he like when he left? How did he say goodbye to you?
HASINA PATEL:
Just a normal goodbye, I'll see you later, I'll be back in a few hours kind of thing.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
That was it, you didn't see him again?
HASINA PATEL:
I didn't see him after that, no.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
We then move to the 7th of July when the bombings have happened, what had happened to you then?
HASINA PATEL:
I already had a scan booked for Thursday morning, the appointment was at 9.30. At 9 o'clock I left the house, obviously not knowing what had happened. I had tried to phone him to say are you going to come for the scan and I kept trying to phone him leaving messages on the Wednesday saying I am still bleeding, something's up and again on Thursday, I rang every day, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I went to the hospital with my mum for the scan, I think me and mum thought everything was going to be all right, it will be a scan and it will be okay but when I had the scan the midwife said it seems that the baby stopped growing at six or seven weeks which told me I had lost the baby. Then my mum was in the waiting room, like in front of everyone else, she thought everything was going to be okay and she is very chatty, she goes everything is all right isn't it? I said yes, mum, everything is okay and we walked down the corridor and I told her and we just both of us went quiet after that. I said mum, I think the pregnancy is not going to go ahead, the baby had stopped growing, it was obviously really hard. I went home, I went back to my own house and put the TV on and saw that the bombings had happened, it was just all over the news. I just couldn't believe it, you normally hear of things like this in America, but you know, London and I was more worried, I was thinking about my miscarriage and things and just trying to phone him every day.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
So the morning when you were learning that your pregnancy wasn't going any further your husband was committing this atrocity in London. Trying to get the two events in your head must have been further than hard really.
HASINA PATEL:
My miscarriage, it was really hard to accept that had happened. My first pregnancy went well, I couldn't imagine that would happen.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
But to learn that your husband was perpetrating, was blowing himself up on a train when you were going through that.
HASINA PATEL:
The following week, yes, I tried to phone him every day then the police came to my house on Tuesday morning, they just said, when they came to my house they just said we think he is involved in the London bombings and I just thought, they've got the ? something's wrong here, someone has got something mixed up or wrong, I was just in shock. I took my things, went to another family members house. Slowly it had started coming on TV that these were the suspected people, the police confirmed it on the phone after a couple of days. Looking back I can't imagine how I got through those few months. It was like trying to come to terms with the fact that he has committed a terrorist attack in London, I couldn't believe it, and I had lost my child and been moved out of my house, everything at once. It was unbelievable. Looking back I can't believe how I got through it, I tried to block it out, tried not to think about it.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
What did you think about what he'd done?
HASINA PATEL:
I kept thinking that something was wrong, I don't know, that maybe it was a set up, I don't know, all kinds of things went round. Obviously anybody wouldn't want to believe that their husband had just gone and done something like that and I couldn't match the two things together either.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
It was an horrific attack wasn't it? What were your thoughts about it? Presumably you would have been as appalled as anybody by it.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes, I think it was ? I can't believe people can do that kind of thing. How you can be so calculated and cold and not have any emotions, how can people do that? Block out their ? I don't know, he must have been ? I don't know, I can't believe how ? I still can't match the two things together, I can't comprehend it, how he could do such a thing.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
There were children, people from all faiths and none on those tubes and buses that day. If you had one of those, if you had a meeting with one of the people who suffered on that day, what would you say to them?
HASINA PATEL:
I have full sympathy for the victims and I can't imagine how they have suffered in the last two years. I have suffered, mine is a different type of suffering but we have all suffered. In these types of attacks everyone suffers, the people, the families, I really, really sympathise with them.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
You were moved out, well you had to leave your home. The whole of the community with I suppose you and the closest families under pressure and focus, then the so called martyr video of your husband came into the public arena. What did you think when you saw that?
HASINA PATEL:
I was just shocked. It was really scary to be honest, a message from beyond the grave. To me that's not my husband, what I saw on TV is just a completely different person.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
How did you feel about him at that point?
HASINA PATEL:
I felt quite ashamed really that, you know, I was always going to be associated with this now and how could he do such a thing? It is difficult, he has left me to pick up the pieces really.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Are you still angry? How do you feel about it?
HASINA PATEL:
I think if has been misled by other people, I feel there was a good person in there and I just hope that, you know ? yes, I just hope and I pray for him because I feel there was a good person in there but feel he was probably misled and brainwashed by the wrong people.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
I think people would be surprised to hear you say you still pray for him given the number of people that died, 52 people dead, a huge terrorist atrocity and yet you can still think that.
HASINA PATEL:
I don't think about it often but he is still my daughter's father and I have to raise her to be able to deal with it and not hating anyone and everyone, try to keep things a bit stable for her. You have to try to balance everything out. I completely understand that people feel ? if someone had done that to my daughter I would never forgive them or to myself but especially my daughter. When you are in that situation and you have got to think about your own child, it is too difficult but I try not to think about it to be honest because at the end of the day we will all be judged by our own actions and my main concern is that I lead my life as a good person as possible. I am going to be judged for my actions, it is important to me that I raise my daughter well and she will be judged for her actions and that's my priority. I try not to think about what happened and try not to be too bitter because it will only make me ? it is not going to benefit anybody, it has been hard enough as it is and I just try to be patient.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Let's think about another incident. I think testing one's patience is far too much of a glib word but you were arrested this year by the police when they were investigating the 7/7 bombings, in May this year. Tell us what happened, there was a knock at the door but it was a very disturbing situation, what happened?
HASINA PATEL:
It has been two years and we had only just moved house about a month ago. I was really happy, I felt it was a new chapter in my life. For the last two years I felt that my life had been at a standstill and so I was really excited about moving to a new house and the house hadn't been in the media. It was just a normal morning, there was a loud knock at the door. I thought it was someone knocking at the neighbours door because no one knocks at our door so early in the morning and I kept thinking to myself I wish someone would open their door. It kept knocking, it was seven in the morning and I was still fast asleep, then I thought nobody is answering the door, maybe it's my door so I went downstairs and saw police all in the garden and I just tried to grab my scarf but I could hear them shouting Hasina.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
They were shouting for you?
HASINA PATEL:
They said can you open the door quickly and I just tried to get my scarf and open the door and they showed me their card, they said we are from Scotland Yard and we have a warrant to search your house. So okay, it was just all happening so fast, I thought okay they are maybe doing routine searches or something, they will probably just search it and leave. They said is there anybody else in the house? I said my mum and my daughter. My mum had come downstairs by then and was in the living room and the police came into the living room, there were about eight or nine of them, it was very intimidating and I didn't know what was going to happen next. I thought they would search the house and go away but the next thing the police said we are arresting you under suspicion of instigation of acts of terrorism. I just looked at my mum and I was like, what? I said what are you arresting me for? I couldn't believe what they had just said. They said will you get your things please and the two female officers said could we come upstairs with you to get your stuff. I just felt so sorry for my mum because she's been through enough and to have this again just when we'd moved house ? sorry [breaks down in tears]
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
It's okay, just take your time.
HASINA PATEL:
So I went upstairs, I got some of my things and then I asked the policeman if I could just say goodbye to my daughter. I didn't want to wake her up because I didn't want her to see me like that. So I kissed her goodbye, I didn't wake her up and then when I walked out of the bedroom they handcuffed me there outside her bedroom and led me downstairs. I just thought I wish my mum wasn't there because I had to get past my daughter first and then my mum, for my mum to see me there with handcuffs on as well. I tried to make her feel better and I said don't worry, just pray for me. We used to talk in our language so I said it in Gujerati and the policeman said, don't speak in your own language, really rudely. My mum understood what I said, they took me outside and led me to the car and I saw all these other cars outside with police in and I just couldn't believe what was happening after two years and I was only just starting to put my life back together. Then they took me down to Paddington.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
A long drive, four hours or so presumably.
HASINA PATEL:
A very long drive.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
And you were in the back of the van wondering what was happening.
HASINA PATEL:
In the back of the car, yes, with all sorts of things going round my head. I just tried to block everything out, that's how I work, that's how I deal with things, I try not to think about the things so I just tried to think about nothing and no one really spoke in the car. We got there and I had to give DNA and finger prints and I had already given that.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Presumably a lot of this and the questioning had all happened extensively in the wake of 7/7 anyway.
HASINA PATEL:
I had given them a statement and they had my fingerprints anyway but I thought okay, they're doing this again for whatever reason and I'll find out soon hopefully when I speak to my solicitor.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
And you were in a cell in Paddington?
HASINA PATEL:
A tiny cell, yes. I asked them, I said okay, where do I sleep at night and they said here. I thought here? The bench is narrower than a single bed, a wooden bench with a plastic mattress and a toilet bolted to the wall, no sink. They have to do a strip search which I didn't know why it was necessary with three female staff present and I had to give DNA and fingerprints again, the fingerprints took two and a half hours. Then I saw my solicitor and then there was questioning for three hours at a time every day. Sometimes we'd just be waiting around in interview rooms, there is no daylight and if you go for exercise it is five minutes in the morning but they handcuff you to walk around the yard and there is a policeman stood at each corner. I went once and I thought I don't want to do that again, I'd rather just stay inside and not have exercise.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Presumably at this point you are trawling through every last fibre of your brain thinking is there anything I could have said. Were there every times and this is probably quite hard to answer really, were there ever times when you thought that nugget of information would have been good for the police?
HASINA PATEL:
No. Everyone that he knew can say that he just seemed like a normal person, in fact probably ? .
PART TWO
HASINA PATEL:
? stay strong for the sake of my daughter really and our religion does teach us to be patient. So that's what I try to do, be patient and pray and concentrate on what life lays ahead for me and my daughter and try to make the most of it under difficult circumstances.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
And condemn what happened on that day?
HASINA PATEL:
I completely condemn what happened.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Hasina Patel thank you very much indeed.
HASINA PATEL:
Thank you.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Just say your daughter this time. At the end of this process Hasina it became clear that the police had a document about Sidique, tell us about this document and what was in it.
HASINA PATEL:
They showed me a will that they had found which was from Sidique and there were messages on there to me and my daughter and family and general to the public and funeral arrangements, it all looked very official and there were appendices and things. In my section of the will it said I am really sorry for all the lies and deceit, I hope you can forgive me and I hope you can try to understand why I did what I did. You have tried to be a good wife but I have deceived you, that kind of message. There was a section for [my daughter] as well?.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Just say my daughter.
HASINA PATEL:
There was a section for my daughter as well and my daughter's section just said I really love you, as a father I really love you and I want the best for you and make sure you are a good person, be a good Muslim and look after your mummy, that kind of thing.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
He left some money too.
HASINA PATEL:
Yes, there was a hand written note and some money found with it and it said on the note that I'm leaving you this money, I know it's not a lot, it was about £400 and it said I am leaving you this money to buy some toys for the children and it was really sad that he put children because he obviously thought that the pregnancy had gone ahead and didn't know it would just be me and [my daughter] left alone. Just me and my daughter left alone.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
If I can ask you one more thing. When you say you pray to find forgiveness for your husband, the people that suffered in those attacks would probably be quite disturbed that that, that this is an man who deserves no forgiveness. These were utterly innocent people. What do you say to that?
HASINA PATEL:
I can completely understand where they come from. If somebody did that to me or my daughter I would never forgive them, thinking they could take my daughter's life but ? for me to just get through this life it makes it easier for me and my daughter, I don't want her to grow up with hatred. It makes things easier, I try not to think about what happened too much to be honest, I try to concentrate more on my own life. We all will be judged on our own actions so I try to ensure my daughter is raised as a good person and I have to think about myself as well, think about the future.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Are you happy to live as a Muslim in this country now?
HASINA PATEL:
I am. When I was younger, I've always liked living here and never had an issue, what's happened recently I have lost a bit more faith in the police and the only thing is I am a bit scared of the police, it makes me uneasy just for those kind of reasons or if I felt my daughter needed to have her own identity, if people find out ? if her life is difficult then but otherwise I'm quite happy to live here.
JULIE ETCHINGHAM:
Thank you.
The intelligence information would have been far better if YOU had gone to authorities and informed them about your husbands allegiances, as all should do who become aware of people with an ambivalent or positive attitude toward Islamism and /or sympathies for terror acts.. If YOU had done something beforehand, many people would still be alive and whole.
Are you trying to suggest that you were completely unaware of your husband's loyalties? Few things happen in a vacuum, and for you to suggest that you are entirely innocent in this matter insults everyone's intelligence.
These crocodile tears of this this terrorists' wife evoke zero sympathies with me....this is all pure Barbara Streisand....she's only trying to save her own neck.
Hopefully she will burn in Hell along with her terror-trash husband, and soon.
Yeah...be ashamed...and take that damned mask off your face....B*tch!.
Tainan this may make you and other freepers either laugh or yack up.
It is an email from a former friend of mine - a Cockney who now works as a train driver in Nottinghamshire. It is a response to a post of mine concerning the advancing Moslem hordes in our land : -
Sorry I can’t get it to load. Here it is manually. I have not edited it in any way . Here goes :-
“Eddie,
People like you who run down a quarter of mankind and lick the shoes of Zionists and America are the no 1 reason the west is now hated througout the third world.
You shrek abou t mosques being built every where. Well whats wrong with them. A massive mosque is being built near me on Mansfield Rd it looks beautiful. the priests are giving out toffees and will look after the old pepl.When did u last do anything for any body ?You said @these muslims@ are brt over here by Labour and get free evrthing because they have no money. I remember when Liz kicked u out, well you had no money then even now your living in that 3 bedroom house your Nan left u. A typical capitalist u are Im doing alright the worlds marginalized can go to hell, its not as if you were thick, just sadistic and suspicious of anyone who dosnt look like you.
You use the old line that no other faith is violent like islam, well i have news for u theres a whole country causing violence.Its called Israel. Do you know Isreali forces are firing cans into Palestinian refugee camps, and the cans have typhoid collerea and botulism.The UN found out what was killing children. Well wouldnt you put bombs on buses and shops if 10 million strangers came and chucked you out of your home ?
Then yousaid @3d world islamics@ are bringing down the UK well wait a minute who has given misery to Africa and Asia?
who starved millions for imperial glory,who treated India like slaves,who forced heroin onto Chinese peasants,who made the Irish homeless 2nd class citizens,who chewed up arab land so it could be saved for greedy jews,who dropped uranium on Afgan villages.
Wait now is it Denmark,Luxemburg, no wel fuck me its good old Britain!And whos the other half of this murderous double act who wiped out their native pepl.,who dragged from 100 million plus Africans ascross the sea,who dropped a nuclear bomb notONCE BU TWICE over civilians but they were only yellow wernt they eddie,who ruined Korea,who burned kids alive in Viet Nam,who murders their own young pepl. by tying them to electric chairs, AND WHO KILLED 60000 IRAQUIS and is continuing to do now?
YES THAT IS CORRECT. 6 POINTS!
Land of the free ome of the brave your bum chums the US of A.They cause the terroism not the muslim world, you should not be a llowed near a computer peddling fascist lies.
I feel sad now we had some laughs going to football and stuff but the things you come out with about yoy love England and America sicken me. Unless you reverse your views I cannot be a mate of yours anymore.Fuck off
Adam”
Attitudes like this are not uncommon in this country, unfortunately. Even so, my ex - friend is still only a tiny minority, so don’t despair !
It seems that your frighteningly inarticulate, former friend has at least one co-worker (and likely more) who shares his views.
Great Britain Muslim fanatic works on trains (Publicly glorified suicide bombers)
I apologise for the language in the email, but I felt it imperative not to amend any of the contents.
This former friend is a member of TSSA, one of the the Railway unions. Like most unions, they are not content with looking out for their members; they pursue anti- Western, Internationalist, multi-cultural agenda.
This guy is not the same person I knew 15 years ago. He never had any interest in politics of any kind; his passions were horseracing, soccer, and beer.
Looking at a wider picture, the unions are having less and less influence on the Government of the day, as Tony Blair dropped the blanket nationalisation policy in 1995. The ironic thing is that extreme lefties hate the Labour Party now, as it now draws most of it’s funding from big business.
This looks like how it’s gonna be from now on, because Prime Minister Broon will not, I suspect, turn the clock back.
Hopefully having a penny pinching Scotsman in No 10 may curb the madcap spending on hostile minorities. Hopefully
Once again sorry about the swearing. The last thing I meant to do was offend anybody.
At least it appears that as far as the war on terror is concerned, PM Brown appears to be very consistent, at least in his public rhetoric. His current viewpoints
PM hails Bush's leadership (Mr Brown stunned critics by THANKING President Bush)
seem identical to his views as he expressed them in 2004
Brown hails Bush's war (Great Britain's Chancellor of the Exchequer delivers glowing endorsement)
and so it's encouraging to get the impression that he doesn't vacillate on important issues with any slight change in the political winds of the day.
I don’t understand all of those errors in his last email. This guy was (is ? was ?) very bright and wrote better than me! His emails were always witty and well written. I can only assume that he had a cob on about my Conservatism and could barely control his feelings.
What made it worse was the implication that because I was left a nice house by my Grandmother, and have a good career (someting I didn’t have when I first knew Adam) I somehow qualified for abuse and should not have the cheek to complain about it.
I think Socialists are programmed to put their ideology before any personal feelings for friends or family - and that is why this mentality is so dangerous.
PS. Who is that Freeper whose tagline is “Liberalism is Mentally Deranged” ? I wish I had thought of that first !
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