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California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance (it's a Start!)
theNewspaper.com ^ | 7/27/2007

Posted on 07/27/2007 7:03:53 AM PDT by SubGeniusX

California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime.

In a 4-3 opinion yesterday, the California Supreme Court ruled illegal the city of Stockton's program to seize automobiles from motorists not convicted of any crime. Under the city's ordinance, police could impound the vehicle of anyone accused of using it "to solicit an act of prostitution, or to acquire or attempt to acquire any controlled substance." The city could then hold the car for up to a year without hearing, trial or any finding of guilt.

If a hearing was held, the city would take ownership of the property after the hearing officer decided the defendant was likely to be guilty based on a "preponderance of the evidence" standard, as opposed to a "proved beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. The confiscated vehicle would then be sold at auction, raising thousands in revenue for the city, with a cut of the profits being shared with the police agency that brought in the seized car.

This program generated significant legal controversy, spawning a series of contradictory appeals court rulings that disagreed whether the practice was legal (read decision) or violated procedural due process. Yesterday's decision settled the question by finding Stockton's ordinance in conflict with existing state law.

"A conflict exists if the local legislation 'duplicates, contradicts, or enters an area fully occupied by general law, either expressly or by legislative implication,'" the decision stated, citing precedent.

California law already provides a set of specific regulations limiting car seizure for drug crimes. Unlike Stockton's ordinance, seizure under state law is a penalty for the felony sale and manufacturing of narcotics, not for simple possession. It is further limited as a penalty only for those convicted beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime in which the vehicle was similarly proved to "facilitate" the manufacture or sale of the drugs.

"By way of contrast, the city's ordinance allows the harsh penalty of vehicle forfeiture upon proof merely by a preponderance of evidence of a vehicle's use simply 'to attempt to acquire' any amount of any controlled substance (for instance, less than 28.5 grams of marijuana, a low-grade misdemeanor warranting only a $100 fine and no jail time and not subject to vehicle forfeiture under the UCSA)."

Another provision of California law specifically prohibits a local jurisdiction from inserting itself in matters settled by the state legislature.

"Thus, under section 21, local regulation of any 'matter' covered by this state's Vehicle Code is prohibited unless the legislature has expressly allowed local regulation in that field," the ruling stated.

The same legal principle was used by the Minnesota Supreme Court in striking down a local ordinance that purported to authorize red light camera ticketing (read decision). The Ohio and Iowa Supreme Courts face this question as well as pending cases require a decision on whether local photo enforcement ordinances violate state law.

The California decision will not only shut down dozens of car confiscation programs operating throughout the state, but the precedent will also spell trouble for the Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority which set up automated stop sign cameras earlier this month on canyon roads in Los Angeles. The obscure governmental agency also intends to set up speed camera ticketing, which is prohibited by state law (view ordinance).

The full text of the California Supreme Court ruling is available in a 68k PDF file at the source link below.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; dueprocess; fifthamendment; govwatch; hijackedthread; leo; wod
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Good ruling ... it's a start...
1 posted on 07/27/2007 7:03:55 AM PDT by SubGeniusX
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To: traviskicks
California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime.

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2 posted on 07/27/2007 7:05:07 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Rudy Giuliani is deeply saddened.


3 posted on 07/27/2007 7:05:07 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: SubGeniusX

Are they now going to reimburse people for the loss of their automobiles?


4 posted on 07/27/2007 7:05:32 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Good!


5 posted on 07/27/2007 7:06:06 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG (Apparently my former party considers me an "ugly nativist".)
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To: SubGeniusX

California gets something right for a change.


6 posted on 07/27/2007 7:08:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: TommyDale

No, that would defeat the law’s original purpose as a source of income.


7 posted on 07/27/2007 7:09:31 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: SubGeniusX

What about seizing vehicles of people driving without a license, an expired license, no insurance, under the influence of drugs or alcohol, etc?


8 posted on 07/27/2007 7:12:15 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What I find a bit scary is that 3 Justices voted the other way!


9 posted on 07/27/2007 7:15:21 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: pnh102

Would that be a typical illegal alien
that the government refuses to go after in America?


10 posted on 07/27/2007 7:18:03 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
Would that be a typical illegal alien
that the government refuses to go after in America?

Probably. Of course, a legal citizen with no driver's license, no insurance, no registration, driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol would be subject to a much harsher penalty than an illegal.

11 posted on 07/27/2007 7:23:10 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: pnh102; Issaquahking
why is it that some people feel the need to Hijack almost EVERY dang thread ... to discuss the Illegal Immigration Issue ... THIS decision and the original statutes/policies HAD NOTHING to do with illegal immigration...

/obsessive much?

12 posted on 07/27/2007 7:26:35 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: basil

“What I find a bit scary is that 3 Justices voted the other way!”

.....hey, it’s California......that such a good ruling could come from the LEFT coast at all is amazing.....


13 posted on 07/27/2007 7:26:44 AM PDT by Taiku
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To: SubGeniusX

The seizure law was originally meant for drug dealers when the drug were seized in the car. I have no problem with that. Trying to expand it into other areas is just plain wrong. I live in Mesquite Texas and was astounded when a Mesquite Police car passed in front of me, it was a Lincoln Escalade.
When I caught up with it it had a sign on the back window that read. “This is a drug dealers car, he’s in jail and we’re driving his car.”


14 posted on 07/27/2007 7:28:41 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: robertpaulsen
In a 4-3 opinion yesterday, the California Supreme Court ruled illegal the city of Stockton's program to seize automobiles from motorists not convicted of any crime. Under the city's ordinance, police could impound the vehicle of anyone accused of using it "to solicit an act of prostitution, or to acquire or attempt to acquire any controlled substance."

wondering your thoughts on this?

15 posted on 07/27/2007 7:31:42 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: ontap
The seizure law was originally meant for drug dealers when the drug were seized in the car. I have no problem with that.

I do. No conviction, no loss of property. It's the constitutional concept that matters, not the particular crime.

16 posted on 07/27/2007 7:32:29 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ontap

one of the major issues I have here is the “civil seizure” aspect and the lack of due process... even if it’s a dealer w/o a conviction they should not seize the property for the Govts. profit ...


17 posted on 07/27/2007 7:34:33 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: ontap

Maybe a Lincoln Navigator or a Cadilac Escalade or, he could of got it one piece at a time, and didn’t cost him a dime.


18 posted on 07/27/2007 7:35:41 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: antiRepublicrat

you said it better than i did ...

unfortunately some folks here don’t think the Constitution applies to certain “undesirables”


some scary opinions from so called “conservatives” in this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1872038/posts


19 posted on 07/27/2007 7:38:03 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It is a controversial issue I agree and the point is well taken,but it has been around for years now I assume the ACLU types have given it a close eye and decided it would pass a challenge. Anything they can do to make life miserable for a drug dealer is good. I do however admit that it could and probably has been used inappropriately, sadly this is not unique to this law.


20 posted on 07/27/2007 7:45:29 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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