Posted on 07/29/2007 2:13:08 PM PDT by EveningStar
btw, stop with the “evolution” nonsense. We all believe in evolution, WHAT WE DON’T BELIEVE IS darwinism, or macroevolution (change from one species into another magically).
I don't believe species appear "magically" other, but rather by descent through modification over long, long, LONG periods of time. This is a theory backed by support from multiple lines of independently acquired evidence. Your great uncle wasn't a chimp. Your great, great, great, great, great...(add at least 50 miles of "greats") uncle was similar to the ancestors of chimps.
The only people who believe species appear "magically" are creationists.
Just like the Evo's!!!
There is no Church of Darwin. Evolution is a scientific theory, not a faith.
Try science books. Reading is good. Museums are good too - real ones like the Natural History Museum in the Smithsonian.
And all Aspirins are alike.
==There is no Church of Darwin. Evolution is a scientific theory, not a faith.
Yeah right:
“Muslims go to Mecca, Christians go to Jerusalem, Darwinians go to Downe.”
—James Moore, Darwin Scholar
http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://creationsafaris.com/crev200706.htm#20070628a
“I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection.”
—Richard Dawkins
http://www.iscid.org/papers/Williams_GodDelusionReview_02012007.pdf
“Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented.”
Provine William B., [Professor of Biological Sciences, Cornell University], “Darwin Day” website, University of Tennessee Knoxville, 1998.
“Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”
Provine, William B. [Professor of Biological Sciences, Cornell University], “, “Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life”, Abstract of Will Provine’s 1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address.
“It is no more heretical to say the Universe displays purpose, as Hoyle has done, than to say that it is pointless, as Steven Weinberg has done. Both statements are metaphysical and outside science. Yet it seems that scientists are permitted by their own colleagues to say metaphysical things about lack of purpose and not the reverse. This suggests to me that science, in allowing this metaphysical notion, sees itself as religion and presumably as an atheistic religion (if you can have such a thing).”
Shallis, Michael [Astrophysicist, Oxford University], “In the eye of a storm”, New Scientist, January 19, 1984, pp.42-43.
“Man is the result of a purposeless and materialistic process that did not have him in mind. He was not planned. He is a state of matter, a form of life, a sort of animal, and a species of the Order Primates, akin nearly or remotely to all of life and indeed to all that is material.”
Simpson, George Gaylord [late Professor of Vertebrate Paleontology, Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University, USA], “The Meaning of Evolution: A Study of the History of Life and of its Significance for Man,” [1949], Yale University Press: New Haven CT, 1960, reprint, p.344.
“I had motive for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. … For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.”
Aldous Huxley: Ends and Means, pp. 270 ff.
Issac Newton, for example, was a beliving Christian who formulated a profound theory of gravitation suitable enough to steer spacecraft among the planets.
At the same time experiments in alchemy probably contributed to his death.
Einstein (also a beleiver or sorts) formulated a deeper theory of gravitation that conceived of the bending of space and time, that reduced to Newton's at lower energies. Yet he knew that his theory did not comport with quantum mechanics which had been formulated comtemporaneously, and he died frustrated that he had not succeeded in unifying the two despite his monumental efforts.
Now some supect that there may be a deeply unifying aspect in M-Theory (membranes), but the energies neccessary to test it are outside our current abilities to probe nature that deeply. But it remains such a beautiful theory that some physicists have dedicated their entire careers to this elusive goal.
Yet underneath it all, I believe, is God.
As for evolution...if we understood how changes in genes affect changes in species, I believe we'd understand that too.
But never at the level of God, who's yet constituted a vast and beautiful universe for us to explore.
Then there must be lots of transitional fossils to be found; even darwin himself said there should be lots and lots of them. How come we haven’t found any, just lots of phony fossils made up to fool our kids, that are later discovered to be just what they are, like piltdown man, Peking man and all the others.
There are. Thousands have been found. Do the research. What other conclusion can one reach from the fossil record? You don't see Precambrian era turtle fossils, or Mesozoic era elephants or Paleozoic dinosaurs.
How come we haven’t found any, just lots of phony fossils made up to fool our kids, that are later discovered to be just what they are, like piltdown man, Peking man and all the others.
Sounds like you've been getting information from creationist websites. That's a bad idea. They're inherently dishonest and don't do any real science. Piltdown man is the only ape-human transitional I'm aware of that was ever taken seriously by science, and it was debunked decades ago. Curiously enough, it became suspicious because it didn't fit in the proper biogeographical area with other 'transitionals', so was discovered. Not the proudest moment of science (that it took so long to smoke out), but it was done.
Why do you think we should have found every transitional fossil there is? Fossilization is rare are hard to depend on. There's other, much stronger lines of evidence that support evolution (like genetics), in spite of the large number of transitional fossils found.
Interesting.
So what did you do when your professors told you that the half life of uranium 235 is 700 million years.
Did you call them agents of Satan for pushing old Earth science on mankind?
You must be part of a different creationist book club.
Most of the Bible literalists around here rake empiricists over the coals.
Must be that whole problem about not being able to prove the divine with science.
Nope; they have FAITH that their word pictures they paint happened just the way they BELIEVE.
When new data comes along; their BELIEFS change to match the data.
Translation:
Oooops!
I guess the way we 'believed' things worked before, really didn't.
You have been fed a pile of you know what. Scientific American a few years ago had its cover story of finding the very FIRST wonderful transitional fossil in China (a reptile/bird thing) but low and behold it turned out to be another fake. Do more research.
No, but I did notice that Mr Leakey, when trying to prove he found a very old monkey skull, had to do his carbon dating over 50 times before he received a very old date that he liked - ha ha ha.
Thank you for posting those quotes. Evolution does appear to be a religion, doesn't it?
It couldn't have been very old if he was doing carbon dating.
Do more research. There are thousands of transitional fossils. You need to look outside of creationist websites in real science journals, museums, etc. and they're not all part of a huge conspiracy. I can't help it if you're drawing all your info from sources driven toward apologetic propaganda. There's actual science out there, and it's not found on Answers In Genesis.
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