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Open-Heart Surgery--90% off
Forbes ^ | July 27, 2007 | Steve Forbes

Posted on 07/30/2007 11:53:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

A fast-growing phenomenon--"medical tourism," which will be a $40 billion industry by 2010--is showing how we can "solve" the health care financing crisis.

More and more Americans are choosing to go abroad for elective and/or major surgeries. What entrepreneurs began more than a decade ago by constructing world-class facilities to lure patients from the U.S. and around the world into traveling for cosmetic surgery has now blossomed into freshly built foreign hospitals offering a wide array of other types of medical procedures. India, Thailand and Singapore are among the countries heavily involved. Panama and others are just entering this arena.

The hospitals and physicians are usually first-rate and, amazingly, can provide operations at 10% to 30% of the cost in the U.S. For instance, knee replacement surgery that might cost $16,000 here can be done for $4,500 in a top-tier (by U.S. standards) Indian hospital. Dr. John Helfrick, president of the International Society for Quality in Health Care, and Dr. Robert Crone, CEO and president of Harvard Medical International, tell of one dramatic example: A patient was in need of complicated heart surgery. His hospital said the cost would be $200,000 and wanted $100,000 up front. The patient's son, a medical student, knew of the medical tourism industry and arranged for his father to have the operation overseas. The complicated surgery was a success. The cost: $6,700.

How is this possible? Excellent hospitals can be built overseas without the bureaucratic red tape found in the U.S., thereby saving construction time. Construction costs are lower, as are nursing, physician and administrative expenses. Expat doctors who have trained here and in Europe are returning home, where money goes considerably further than in, say, New York or California. More and more these foreign hospitals--currently numbering about 120, and growing--are not just mirroring the best U.S. practices but are emerging as innovators. They are certified by Joint Commission International, a not-for-profit subsidiary of the Joint Commission, which accredits U.S. hospitals. The international accreditation process is as rigorous as it is in the U.S.--but without the unnecessary bureaucratic paperwork.

The delivery of health care in the U.S. could become an innovative, infinitely less costly business than it is today. How? By fundamentally changing our third-party-based payment system, which fosters bureaucracy and crushes innovation and productivity. Health Savings Accounts are the answer--but they won't be able to truly revolutionize health care unless obstacles are removed. Among the barriers are the lack of a federal income tax deduction for people buying health insurance in the individual market; the prohibition against people paying health insurance premiums from their HSAs unless they are unemployed or on Cobra insurance; many employers making no contributions to their employees' accounts; and the too-high maintenance fees for HSAs. Another formidable roadblock is that you cannot buy health insurance policies not approved by the state in which you live. Thus, a resident of California is barred from purchasing a policy that is available in New York. Politics being what it is, it's no surprise that many states mandate costly provisions that make policies prohibitively expensive for individuals. (Corporate health plans fall under federal law.)

Medical tourism is an exciting glimpse at the huge savings, productivity gains and medical advances that could be had if we got genuine consumer-controlled health care here--as well as overseas.


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1 posted on 07/30/2007 11:53:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

B U M P


2 posted on 07/31/2007 12:00:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: bruinbirdman
My VA doctor (an Indian) suggested I go to India for bariatric surgery at about $1000 w/private room & nurse, versus $20000 in Mexico and $40-50000 here.
3 posted on 07/31/2007 12:02:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do your research prior to committing. I have seen many foreign hospitals which rival the US in quality of care. There are also many which will screw you up.

Also, check on post surgery medications which you may be prescribed. You don't want to be detained by Customs for transporting illicit or restricted medications into the US.

4 posted on 07/31/2007 12:22:00 AM PDT by Sarajevo
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I think the auto companies with their insane health expenses should send people needing costly hospital visits to India or Thailand or someplace like that. Accredited of course. I can only imagine what the bill is if someone needs multiple surgeries and is in the hospital for 5 months at the end of their life! 1500 dollars a vehicle for health insurance costs!

Also imo insurance plans should offer this. You can pay a lot less if you are willing to be flown to India and get the operation there. Or you can opt for a more expensive plan where you will be operated on in the US. Consumer choice.


5 posted on 07/31/2007 12:25:46 AM PDT by ran20
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I would not trust a medical establishment in one of
the dirtiest countries in the world.


6 posted on 07/31/2007 12:28:38 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"My VA doctor (an Indian) suggested I go to India for bariatric surgery at about $1000 "

My mother's dentist fixed all her teeth beautifully for $10,000 then went back home to India to set up his practice.

yitbos

7 posted on 07/31/2007 12:35:32 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: ChiMark

Considering that the US imports thousands of Indian physicians, the medical system must be pretty decent.


8 posted on 07/31/2007 12:35:55 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: bruinbirdman

Bump


9 posted on 07/31/2007 12:41:01 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To read....


10 posted on 07/31/2007 12:55:27 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: ran20
It may still be true in India but in Thailand I am afraid the cost benefits are disappearing to a large extent due to big unfavorable changes in the exchange rates, unnecessary grandiose construction of palace like hospitals and the beginnings of lawsuits...not yet on a scale with USA but starting none the less. Have also heard that allowing suits here and wanting to increase the cost of western world drugs here were main pushes of the USA government in recent unsuccessful trade talks with Thailand....however on the positive side the heath care by the individuals in these foreigner based hospitals can not be topped on any scale anywhere else...everyone including nurses, doctors and other professionals in the system are great both in training and performance...but the differences in cost relate to a time period 4-5 years ago and not the present day realities.
11 posted on 07/31/2007 12:56:26 AM PDT by ldish (God save the USA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hopefully you are allowed to inquire as to the surgical team members’ religions before hearing the anesthesiologist telling you to repeat slowly “allahu akbar” ten times.


12 posted on 07/31/2007 1:08:12 AM PDT by Joe Miner
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Thats interesting and makes sense, nice to hear the personnel quality is so high in Thaliand. One factor in some nations must be the rising wages and rising exchange..In some nations I’ve looked at it is over 10% a year. Well in only 15 years that will mean 4 times the wage costs as now. Which is very great for the world, and our competitive position.. but closes down that nation for arbitrage.

As the gap closes there must be a point where its not worth it to go abroad. Especially for those cheaper surgeries.. those 400,000$ procedures it still would be worth it even if it cost 150,000$ abroad.

For the drugs that is a good point you raise. The pharma companies tend to price things based on what each can afford to get the maximum amount from each nation. I read for the US as a whole, we spent 250 billion on drugs and 1.8 trillion overall for healthcare.


13 posted on 07/31/2007 1:10:26 AM PDT by ran20
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To: bruinbirdman
bureaucratic red tape = L A W Y E R S

The U.S. still has, by far, the best healthcare system in the world. But if it wasn't for ambulance chasing, greedy, over-litigous trial lawyuhs, it would be far beyond our greatest expectations of health care we could imagine.

14 posted on 07/31/2007 1:17:50 AM PDT by hawkeye101 (Liberalism IS a mental disorder. It can only be cured by large doses of common sense and the truth.)
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Actually, I’ve read that the third leading cause of death in the U.S. is due to mistakes made by doctors. The death rate in the UK plummeted when the doctors went on strike there. So what you are saying is that if a doctor cuts the wrong leg off of you in some screwup that you won’t hire an “over-litigious trial lawyuh” and sue?


15 posted on 07/31/2007 1:52:58 AM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (i)
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I'm not suggesting that when real malpractice has victimized people, that they shouldn't be able to sue and receive damages. I'm talking about a corrupt system that allows trial lawyers to make billions by suing doctors left and right, and leaving doctors and health care providers with legal bills, even if they were completely innocent or not libel; these bills then get passed down to the consumers with outrageous health care costs.

No, doctors aren't perfect. But compared to lawyers, doctors are way higher in my book of trust. Not even close. I rank trust in U.S. trial lawyers somewhere between a used car salesman, and a meth dealer (oops, I'm sorry if I offended any meth dealers).

16 posted on 07/31/2007 2:27:05 AM PDT by hawkeye101 (Liberalism IS a mental disorder. It can only be cured by large doses of common sense and the truth.)
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—yep—I’d trust any doctor I’ve ever known over John Edwards-—


17 posted on 07/31/2007 2:30:38 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: bruinbirdman

I used to work with a woman who went to the Dominican Republic to get gastric bypass. She nearly died during the operation and recovery took 6 months due to cronic septic infections(had to get reopened once due to something leaking). She saved a bundle though.


18 posted on 07/31/2007 2:37:06 AM PDT by Malsua
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As an RN for the last 21 years, my general rule of thumb is - I don’t even want to consider having surgery in a country where I would get sick from drinking the water.

Mrs.AV


19 posted on 07/31/2007 3:22:13 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit
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To: bruinbirdman

Don’t forget the Philippines - where everyone speaks English and 90% or more of the people you would meet in Manila are Christian and thus feel a strong moral obligation to keep you alive.


20 posted on 07/31/2007 3:50:11 AM PDT by ikka
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