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Poland defies [EU] move to block road through protected forest
The Times ^ | 7/31/2007 | David Crossland

Posted on 07/31/2007 10:44:35 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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To: ScaniaBoy

lol that’s because i posted it as a reference for his treason on the european reform consensus.

He’s corrupt because of the way he handles his governmental crisis - every officer with an attitude gets fired and replaced by a marionette.


21 posted on 08/01/2007 5:12:00 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: bruinbirdman

Just 11 miles - no problem. Build a tunnel under it and call it “the Big Dig.”


22 posted on 08/01/2007 5:18:23 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Enchante

***Wake up Europe!! The EU is going to micro-manage every decision that ought to be subject to local and/or national control.***

The reason the Russian Communist government failed is because everything had to be done from the top down. Example: Wheat growers had to plant when Moscow said it was time. If the fields in any part of Russia were soaked with rain, the farmers had to go to the local commissioner to get permission to delay planting. He had to go to the next level of government which had to go to the next level, and so on until it reached the command in Moscow. By then, the farmers’ tractors were sunken in mud in their fields when they tried to till and plant.

The same was true when it was time to harvest. Some wheat rotted in the fields because it matured earlier than Moscow commanded it to. Other wheat was harvested before it was ripe. The same problem was evident when it came to trucking the usuable wheat to storage. The result? The Russians were starving. The EU basically operates on the same premise as communism.


23 posted on 08/01/2007 5:31:25 AM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Rummenigge; bruinbirdman; Enchante; agere_contra; ovrtaxt
lol that’s because i posted it as a reference for his treason on the european reform consensus.

To not agree to a "European reform consensus" is not treason. Some people - I among those - would actually consider agreeing to the new treaty without letting the voters have a say via referenda akin to treason.

24 posted on 08/01/2007 8:03:08 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

May that be a difference that stands between us then.


25 posted on 08/01/2007 8:05:28 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: lizol

ping


26 posted on 08/01/2007 8:07:42 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Rummenigge

One of many I would imagine.

We do agree on one thing - that Karl Heinz Rummenigge was a great fooballer.


27 posted on 08/01/2007 8:20:23 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

that’s a start. LOL

Honestly I think we are facing problems with the polish government. Maybe not as much as the poles but nevertheless they are quite annoying.

First there was WW2 then there was Willy Brandt, Lech Walesa and a Revolution - then there was Kohl lobbying for a place in Europe for Poland.

the deal was : We pay for your infrastructure - you join the club and act like you want to help yourself and us for european stability and prosperity as we all do. Together we are strong.

Now we face these angry clowns that can do nothing else but trample through the fragile and rare plant of unity in europe. It angers me on a spiritual level. They found an agreement in the end beeing granted 100 Million Euro extra - as with all terrorists paying the ransom was a mistake.

Now they want to have the right to block european decissions for 2 years.

No matter if you are in fear of a european superstate or a strong supporter of it.

You cannot really support a country that sends a guy to important negotiations that has to phone for his brother to make a decission - taking whole of europe hostage for several hours only to give in after beeing bribed with 100Kmillions. After 2 month the same people utter some BS that noone will accept to turn it all into a ‘take the money and run’ strategy.

Scania is a great brand btw.


28 posted on 08/01/2007 8:50:19 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

nothing to do with “attitude”...
don’t forget that PM and President are chosen by people...
They are chosen because people trust them they will fulfill promises they made...

If an officer chosen by PM does not agree with the way country is going and tries to sabotage PM’s policies he gets fired... simple.

This would be kind of funny if ministers chosen by coalition would serve interests of oposition.


29 posted on 08/01/2007 9:59:52 AM PDT by Verdelet (Poland existed long before it's neighbours did... it will last long after it's neighbours cease...)
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To: vox_PL
Thanks for the explanation.

Good luck to the citizens of Augustow. I hope they cause real mayhem for the Eurocrats and commissars in Brussels!

31 posted on 08/01/2007 1:12:43 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Verdelet

Well ok...

see I got the strong feeling you were not really seeking for a german to explain good governance to you.

I have some sense of understanding for that :)

Nevertheless I trust in your ability of perception to see the situation from another angle.

“Have all these officials been corrupt and in an entirely wrong position before the Kaczynski Twins came ? Or is it maybe only partialy politics that is made on their backs ?”

I did it again. Shame on me.

Oh and btw the biggest danger is not that he served oppositions interests or germanies (oh god beware us from such evil) but if he failed to serve polish interests.

You know about Win-Win situations - do you ?


32 posted on 08/02/2007 12:43:42 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: ScaniaBoy

hmmm I am really challanged to keep up my pro EU attitude here.

These guys should certainly not pay for the rock bottom performance of their government. And brussel needs a bit of a rough-up time by time.

Greetings to this Greek Prius driver...


33 posted on 08/02/2007 12:46:20 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: ScaniaBoy; rellimpank; nicmarlo; processing please hold; WorkerbeeCitizen; Greg F; Borax Queen; ...

Thanks- very interesting thread here!

NAU/GLOBALISM PING.
Look what we have to look forward to, guys. Seems those pesky Poles and their inconvenient love of freedom is causing a ruckus.


34 posted on 08/02/2007 3:16:57 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ovrtaxt; processing please hold; Czar; B4Ranch; WorkerbeeCitizen
It announced that it had asked the European Court of Justice to intervene. The case is expected to be the first of a number of environmental disputes as Eastern European members modernise their roads and railways. The motorway would mark the first time that a member state had proceeded with an infrastructure project in defiance of an EU order.

“It is regrettable that Poland has now decided to go ahead with the construction of a new road through Rospuda Valley,” Stavros Dimas, the EU Environment Commissioner, said.

“This is uncharted territory. We have not had a case like that before,” she said.

Boy, Poland sure is uppity!!! /s

PPH....what was the thread where there was documents concerning a NEW JUSTICE COURT being implemented and trumping US Constitution in the formation of the entity to be known as the NAU?

35 posted on 08/02/2007 10:11:44 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Rummenigge

german governing is not so good, you know... (eastern gemany??)

“Have all these officials been corrupt and in an entirely wrong position before the Kaczynski Twins came ? Or is it maybe only partialy politics that is made on their backs ?”

yes, those which ruled Poland before what you call “duck twins” (what you’d call mrs Merkel then?) have been bad... some were corrupted, some were just bad, some were uneducated, some were good....
for Germans it was good (all the way)... your leaders were good friends of those people... (they were all commies or had a deal with them... )
Walesa was an exception... he had a deal with commies also but he saved a lot of Polish lives

But now we have first anti-communists rulling our country and corrupted officers are being thrown out... why do you care?? it does not serve the interest of Deutschland???

too bad

“Oh and btw the biggest danger is not that he served oppositions interests or germanies (oh god beware us from such evil) but if he failed to serve polish interests.”

So far it’s Polish ruling coaltion that does not loose support of Polish nation (PiS I mean as LPR an Samoobrona have joined together)...
they just happen to be serving polish interests...
bad for you I guess :/

What do you “ze evil Germans” need??? another socialist governing in Poland? so you can turn eastern Europe into Estearn Germany?

A win-win situation does not exists in conflict of countries which national interests eclipse interests of another country...

I doubt you can have a non-zero sum conflict of DE-PL interests...

Just like a KGB - STASI friendship (Putin-Warnig) Warnig as an ex-STASI SOB officer, personal friend of Vlad Putin and employer of Schroeder - Gerhard Schroeder)...

Now please explain this strange friendship??
Putin minds think like?


36 posted on 08/02/2007 4:52:46 PM PDT by Verdelet (Poland existed long before it's neighbours did... it will last long after it's neighbours cease...)
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To: Verdelet

>> But now we have first anti-communists rulling our country and corrupted officers are being thrown out... why do you care?? it does not serve the interest of Deutschland??? <<

No it doesn’t serve germanies interests - I doesn’t have to - respect would be the missing ingredience. Moreover it tries to nuture on a self planted polish hate towards germany.

In it’s attitude to germany it’s provocative - obstructing and ill behaved. In it’s attitude to the EU it’s like a looting mob.


37 posted on 08/03/2007 2:37:44 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

“Maybe not as much as the poles but nevertheless they are quite annoying.”

And you stink.


38 posted on 08/03/2007 3:51:54 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Rummenigge
“Moreover it tries to nuture on a self planted polish hate towards germany.”

Yep. Poor, poor Gerries... again the victims...

39 posted on 08/03/2007 3:53:24 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

girl


40 posted on 08/03/2007 4:01:22 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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