Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA
I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.
I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.
And it is really finished . . .
Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?
I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.
The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.
A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.
I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.
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“Would you at least pretend you have the reading comprehension of a wet shoe.”
You said “There’s no occultism in HP”.
That list gives examples of similarities.
I also have listed the use of mirrors as communication devices, astral projection and automatic writing in the HP book as examples of real occult practices in the book.
Butterbeer only makes a house elf “drunk”. It is not alcoholic, because Lupin gave one to Harry in POA.
It’s about $66US. Dale’s version here is $99.00. Anyway, I read it and now I’m just happy to wait until the Dale version shows up at the half price store.
“Oh and how about dealing with my rebuttal of the first point.”
You’re point was unclear. Would you restate it?
Oh yeah? That is nothing, let me explain how Harry Potter disproves evolution but support illegal immigration...
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Hey don’t forget that there is tacit approval for public breastfeeding too.
Some Christians have a very hard time being "in the world" but not "of the world". Imho, Christanity is NOT about the things of this world, the things external to one's self. It's about one's internal relationship with Jesus/God/the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself gives a very simple answer to the question, "What MUST I do to be saved"?
"Believe". That's it. Nothing about Harry Potter books and movies, and all of this external "carp". Now, believing could be a question for a whole other thread, but the basic answer is "believe".
Whoever came up with that chart did not read the books. They could only have gone looking for passages to support their predetermined judgement. Some of what is in the chart twists things 180 degrees from what the book presents. Some examples:
- Book 1, p. 291. “There is no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it.” This is said in defense of the evil that Harry must learn to defeat.
- Book 2, p. 52 mentions a “Hand of Glory.”
Book 3, p. 208. Hit Wizards. Again these are things that are in use by those of evil nature.
There are twisted meanings in that: Book 1, p. 114: There are four houses within the Hogwarts School: Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. (Very much incorrect. The houses each have a prime attribute of those that belong there. S - ambition, R - intelligence G - honor H - friendship.)
Dumbledore (a man) (#1)) Supreme Mugwump
Snape (a man) (#2)
Professor Minerva McGonagall (a woman) (#2) Deputy Headmistress (book 1, p. 51) (McGonagall is actually the one that is second to Dumbledore. Snape is someone that works for him and is trying to atone for an evil past.)
Some of the rest is grasping at straws to make a point. It has no reall connection from the book to the claimed reference.
“You could have read them twice over in the time you’ve spent arguing about them on FR.”
84 hrs?
Doubtful.
I could read them all twice in that time. My wife could read them three times. But I turned her into a newt.
I am lame enough I actually looked it up:
Butterbeer
Butterbeer is the drink of choice for younger wizards. Harry is first presented with the beverage in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Though marketed to children, it contains alcohol: it appears to cause no noticeable drunkenness on a thirteen-year-old human (though it creates the feeling of “warmth”), but is strong enough to cause drunkenness in a house-elf; presumably, in very large amounts, the same would apply to a human. In the sixth book, Harry wonders what Ron and Hermione might do at Professor Slughorn’s Christmas party “under the influence of Butterbeer”, indicating that it can lower inhibitions, though presumably in very large amounts. J. K. Rowling said in her interview to Bon Appetit magazine that she imagines it “to taste a little bit like less-sickly butterscotch”. Butterbeer can be served cold or hot but either way it has a warming effect.
[edit] Firewhiskey
Firewhiskey is a type of alcohol that wizards under the age of 17 aren’t allowed to drink. Ron wonders hopefully if he can get one (illegally) in the Hog’s Head, but Hermione won’t let him. He finally gets one in the Half Blood Prince.
I am an adult and am capable of discerning when I am being presented with a pack of lies - such as is presented in HP.
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It’s fiction, PM. By definition, fiction is not a representation of actual events, so if one were inclined, one could say all fictionis a pack of lies.
It would be silly, but not entirely incorrect.
Sheesh, that makes it sound like 3.2 beer, which is indeed a tool of the Devil.
Perhaps. What is not doubtful is that you missed the point.
You know that's kinda kinky...
You just had to go there didn’t you? Now all you have to do is explain how the book is a tacit endorsement of Fred over Duncan and supports tattoos as a form of personal expression and all bases will be covered.
Actually the point was 100% clear, but I’ll give it to you again to be nice. The table of LIES you bulk quoted says that the first “parallel” between HP and the real world of occult is that Harry was invited to Hogwarts just like in real world occult where someone has to be invited into the group. This is false, Harry performed “magic” before ever being invited to Hogwarts, this is presented in the books and the movies (remember the disappearing glass at the zoo) that those capable of performing magic in the HP world are capable of it without ever being trained or invited anywhere. So that “point” on your table is false, it is not a fact and is indeed refuted by fact, it is a lie.
And the whole list is like that. All lies all the time. I refuted it 6 years ago I’m not bothering again. Stop posting lies.
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