Posted on 08/01/2007 8:46:09 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
Retired TV station owner and broadcast engineer, John Kanzius, wasn't looking for an answer to the energy crisis. He was looking for a cure for cancer.
Four years ago, inspiration struck in the middle of the night. Kanzius decided to try using radio waves to kill the cancer cells.
His wife Marianne heard the noise and found her husband inventing a radio frequency generator with her pie pans.
"I got up immediately, and thought he had lost it."
Here are the basics of John's idea:
Radio-waves will heat certain metals. Tiny bits of certain metal are injected into a cancer patient.
Those nano-particals are attracted to the abnormalities of the cancer cells and ignore the healthy cells.
The patient is then exposed to radio waves and only the bad cells heat up and die.
But John also came across yet another extrordinary breakthrough.
His machine could actually make saltwater burn.
John Kanzius discovered that his radio frequency generator could release the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an incredibly intense flame.
"Just like that. If that was in a car cylinder you could see the amount of fire that would be in the cylinder."
The APV Company Laboratory in Akron has checked out John's amazing invention. They were amazed.
"That could be a steam engine, a steam turbine. That could be a car engine if you wanted it to be."
Imagine the possibilities. Saltwater as the ultimate clean fuel.
A happy byproduct of one man searching for the cure for cancer.
http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=35660&bw=
But John discovered his generator could burn salt water, the hydrogen and oxygen are released creating a hot flame that burns at 1500 C .
No more gas in your car, only salt water?
Okay, who’s got the “Not this S-—t again!” pic?........
It’s an intriguing Idea, I wonder how it would work.
No gas, only saltwater ... and a gas powered generator to produce the electricity to produce the radio waves...
Just because it pops off a little flame, doesn’t mean it will work to move a couple thousand pounds down the road.
I demonstrate electrolysis and combustion all the time using a shotglass and a 9 volt. That doesn’t mean that 1000 9 volts and 1000 shot glasses will power a car.
Fire away.......
Try this website and go through it. Quite interesting. http://www.infinite-energy.com/
It wouldn't.
The energy cost to power the radio frequency generator would be multiple times the energy potential of the hydrogen generated by the process. What is described here is only an interesting tabletop experiment. It has no commercial potential whatsoever.
and you can prove this how?
thanks for the link RC
You’re asking him to prove a negative. The question is: how could it be made feasible?
This reporter is an idiot. To release “free” energy from seawater takes more energy to create the heating than is released. It’s still an energy loss process.
Would love to see it made feasible.
It would depend on what in the salt water is being burned. If the chemical reation is H2O —RF energy—> H2 + O2 —combustion—> H2O, then the RF generator would consume more energy than is liberated by burning hydrogen. On the other hand, if there something else in the salt water that is burning, then it is possible, in theory, for a net energy gain.
thanks for your scientific response.
Thanks!......
Thank you, at least your response was intelligent. I am not familiar with this stuff as I’m no scientist or what have you and frankly have no interest in it. But I do know that people that come on threads of this nature and laugh and pooh pooh ideas that people are working on are the same types of individuals that told the Wright brothers they would never fly.
I’m glad there are people like that still in this world that will go out and try and do something regardless of those “who know better”.
Agreed.
Work arounds are turning off the water supply before the ignition is turned off to purge the system. Another is a chamber before the injectors that re mixes the emulsion before starting. There are many more, but you get the idea. The point is you can burn a 50/50 mixture of water/gas if you do it this way. It has already been done years ago, so it works for sure. In carburetors, they had the problem of separation in the bowl, so no joy there. FI made this all go away. The power it takes to make the ultrasonic mixer is just a few watts so an alternator works fine for that. Water is heavier than gas, so there may be some extra weight on a small car. If you have a 12 gallon tank now, I'm not sure if you would want a 6 gallon water and a 6 gallon gas tank. Most would probably opt for an extra water tank and keep the gas.
If you have to ask, then you probably wouldn’t understand the answer.
But, here’s a simplified version.
Basically it has to do with the FACT that NO energy transformation is 100% efficient. Not only IS not, but CANNOT be. So you take natural gas and burn it, converting one form of potential energy, (chemical) and turn it into another (heat) and lose in the process, then you take that heat and turn a turbine, converting the heat energy to mechanical energy losing more, than you use that mechanical energy to turn a generator making electircal energy losing more yet again, then use the electricity to generate radiant energy (radio waves) losing yet more, which you use to pull hydrogen out of the water losing even more. You are losing energy at every turn (at least six transformations by my count).
My advice is to buy a cylinder of natural gas and save yourself a heap of capital investment, headache and hardship - all to accomplish less than nothing.
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Just as a point of interest, Elmer, would you care to clue us in as to just what this burning substance in sea water might be that we can extract with a net efficiency gain?
If you can identify it, great fame and fortune await you.
==> “I wonder how well the cancer treatment idea will work? It seems plausible, at least. In fact, I’m not sure why it didn’t occur to someone earlier.” <==
The question is, exactly what would make these particles attach themselves to cancer cells, and ONLY to cancer cells? Achieving this selective attachment is the aim of much of the serious biological research looking for a “magic bullet” cancer cure.
But this real research focuses on finding a unique “marker” on the surface of cancer cells that could be targeted by a matching antibody. The antibody attachment would lead to destruction of the cancer cell by natural processes.
However, cancer is actually not a single disease, but a multitude of separate disease processes that arise in every tissue type in the normal body, and, because these defective cells no longer reproduce correctly, they become a moving target for any such targeted therapies.
This “cure” is far too simplistic to cope with the complex disease it is supposed to address. And as a potential fuel, it is even further off base.
It did, although in a more sophisticated form. At least experimentally, various compounds have been developed that concentrate in cancer cells and are then activated to some form of lethality by the application of energy, either ultraviolet or visible light, radio waves , or X-rays. Some of these undoubtedly relate to heat generation (energy conversion from radio waves to heat energy be re-radiation. I can tell you for sure that this is NOT a novel idea. Google it. Do some research; find out. Maybe the reporter covering this non-story should have done a bit of research herself first.
I could have predicted that reaction. Amazing things tend to be amazing.
So, the question becomes: How cheap a first source of energy to use and what kind of energy can I produce from it?
It works this way: You put 10 kw into making the radio waves, and you get 0.1 kw out in hydrogen energy.....
Exactly.
And so the great appeal of hydro power, from waterwheels to giant multi-megawatt hydroelectric dam projects.
And also the great appeal of any form of fusion power, should it ever pan out.
Holy pastrami juices, Batman, turn the radio off or you might set the Atlantic Ocean on fire ;-)
No, I can't. There's a lot I don't know about nuclear physics, RF energy, and sea water chemistry. What I do know, though, leads me to suspect the claim, while possible, is not highly probable.
I tend to think if it were this easy, someone would have been doing it already. Contrary to popular opinion, there are very few original ideas.
“It’s an intriguing Idea, I wonder how it would work.”
- Well, I seem to remember reading about an inventor back in the thirties who made a killing fleecing investors because he claimed that he could put a small additive into water and it would fuel a car. He even had a workable demonstration model. Unfortunately, the small additive in the water turned out to be liquid acetylene (used in welding torches). In water, it too, will perform like gasoline. However, it has the distressing habit of melting all the cylinders so after a short time, the engine also became welded together and seized up.
I have a HALF Lhasa-Apso HALF Shih-tzu I call a Lotsa Shitzoo.....
I suspect it is possible that winged monkeys may fly out your ass, but not highly probable.
Saw a steam turbine about 1975 that ran on water, made steam from the water with its own energy output, and condensed the steam to water so it could be used again. They had to put all kinds of loads on the generator to keep it from running out of control and exploding from centrifugal forces.
No kidding. They had a picture of it in a magazine lighting up a wall of lightbulbs.
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It all depends on where I choose to eat out, I suppose... :)
Seems to me with all of the brains we have here in this thread, we could solve the energy crisis overnight.
Are there any takers or are we just all nay sayers?
ABSOLUTELY NOT POSSIBLE.
There had to be a hidden heat source to make the steam. A steam turbine/generator has ~35%-42% effcciency converting steam energy to electricity, depending upon the initial steam pressure/temperature. That alone guarantees that this little concept is impossible, because after just a few cycles, the initial energy would be totally expended in losses.
Energy at start = 1.0
Energy available to make condensed water back to steam at end of first cycle = 0.42
Energy available at end of second cycle = 0.42*0.42 =0.1764
Energy available at end of thrid cycle = 0.42*0.1764 = 0.075
Energy available at end of fourth cycle = 0.42* 0.075 = 0.031
and so one. After 4 cycles there is only 3% of the initial energy left to boil the water, therefore there had to be an external heat source to boile the water again. Just like a real world power plant. That guy was a scammer pulling one of the older industrial age scams, the perpetual motion machine.
It can work in a carbureted system as well, but it’s really quirky for the average driver. More hasslle than it’s worth.
Simply amazing, the’ve broken the laws of thermodynamics!
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