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Bush Administration Is Wrong To Seek $20 Billion Arms Sale To Jihad-Supporting Saudis
IMRA ^ | 8-2-07

Posted on 08/02/2007 8:00:29 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: SJackson
ya THINK?!?!??!?
21 posted on 08/02/2007 8:31:29 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: WhiteGuy

All international arms sales have to be approved by the gubmint. U.S. arms dealers can’t just go selling to whomever they want (at least not legally).


22 posted on 08/02/2007 8:33:18 AM PDT by squidly
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To: squidly

(at least not legally)

correct


23 posted on 08/02/2007 8:38:07 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: SJackson
The Bush administration is just basically wrong, period.

I think they might be up to a 10/90, right to wrong ratio.

24 posted on 08/02/2007 8:41:17 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: mnehrling
Very true, but when faced with the possibility they are going to get their equipment from China, N. Korea, Russia, or us, which would we have the best chance of controlling through things like SOSCOE, or as has been mentioned, tracking it through GPS.

There is also the issue of them reselling, or lending the weapons we sell them to the Chinese, Russians, N. Koreans, etc.

Anything we sell them should not be technology that they couldn't get somewhere else.

At that point, it really becomes a business decision. If they can get the weapons from a number of sources, why not lower the costs of our own weapons by economies of scale by selling them weapons ourselves instead of having them buy them elsewhere.

We just need to make sure our own defense industry doesn't get overzealous and sell such countries weapons with capabilities that they couldn't get elsewhere in an attempt to compete for their business.

25 posted on 08/02/2007 8:54:30 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: ZULU
The instability of the government is an issue. As is the radical nature of Saudi culture. I certainly wouldn't assume the Saudi's would support us in a confrontation with Iran. Though different strains, they're the two largest exporters of the jihad virus.

Then again, we know the arms aren't for use on their jihadist brothers.

26 posted on 08/02/2007 9:04:46 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: WhiteGuy
$20 billion, some sources say $23 billion, to the Saudis and Gulf states, paid for by them.

To allay concerns in Israel, a $6 to $8 billion increase in aid, paid for by American taxpayers.

To prevent hurt feelings, and additional $13 billion to Egypt paid for by US taxpayers.

Total $40 to $45 billion, just under half paid by taxpayers.

As I occasionally note, our commitment to Israel is to maintain their military superiority over the Arabs. If we don't sell the Arabs (part cash, part aid) weapons at 4 times the rate we sell Israel, then we don't have to subsidize Israeli purchases with foreign aid.

27 posted on 08/02/2007 9:26:52 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: WhiteGuy
Why is bush involved? surely a sovereign nation can make it’s own decisions about their own spending..........

Weapons exports require Congressional approval. GWB's role is the negotiate the deal and push it through.

28 posted on 08/02/2007 9:29:41 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: mnehrling

It would seem easy to change the frequencies or IP addresses upon receipt of the weapons, making it difficult to communicate with these devices.


29 posted on 08/02/2007 9:42:25 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SJackson

$20 billion, some sources say $23 billion, to the Saudis and Gulf states, paid for by them.

THanks,

so who are the saudis buying from? US, the weapons manufacturers? some broker? Why the hell are we involved?


30 posted on 08/02/2007 9:43:55 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: SJackson

ok,

our posts crossed, so the Saudis are buying from US?

Are we selling at a profit?

- I’m not trying to break your balls, I just really don’t know enough about the way this sort of thing works.

Thanks for your answers


31 posted on 08/02/2007 9:46:10 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: stuartcr

I doubt that changing these in SOSCOE is as easy as doing it on a laptop computer. First, they would need to be aware of its existence, then they would need to know how, then bypass the passwords or encryption, then bypass any redundant systems, then know about and bypass any SOSCOE systems hidden in the engineering of the hardware..


32 posted on 08/02/2007 9:48:03 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: mnehrling

It wouldn’t be easy, butit can be done.


33 posted on 08/02/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: WhiteGuy

they are paying for them with petrol dollars.


34 posted on 08/02/2007 10:04:14 AM PDT by camas
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To: 11th Commandment
Russia also = Egypt.
35 posted on 08/02/2007 10:08:49 AM PDT by camas
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To: cinives

because the article was written by a rat. and not a very smart one at that


36 posted on 08/02/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by camas
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To: WhiteGuy

think export license


37 posted on 08/02/2007 10:17:38 AM PDT by camas
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To: SJackson

I agree.


38 posted on 08/02/2007 11:01:36 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: WhiteGuy

The contractors/manufacturers are selling at a profit, the govermnent isn’t involved in the financial side of the transactions, only in getting the necessary approval through Congress and granting the export licenses. Why are we involved? It’s a way of thanking the Saudi’s, for what I’m not sure, presumably their cooperation in the wot and in Iraq.


39 posted on 08/02/2007 12:31:54 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson
The contractors/manufacturers are selling at a profit, the govermnent isn’t involved in the financial side of the transactions, only in getting the necessary approval through Congress and granting the export licenses

I see, thanks, now I understand.

I jumped to a conclusion, as I am sure many people have done, that a $20 Billion arms deal meant $20 billion in additional spending (or foreign welfare as I like to call it) THis was an incorrect assumption on my part, thanks for your answers and preventing me from making ignorant remarks in the future. (at least on this topic)

40 posted on 08/02/2007 1:34:11 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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