SGT HUTCHINS SENTENCED TO 15 YEARS LEAVENWORTH

A little bird | 08/02/07 | RaceBannon

[RaceBannon]

The family is devastated. Sht Hutchins is reuced in rank to private, sentenced to 15 years Leavenworth, forfiture of all pay and allowances, and upon release is dishonorably discharged.

[RaceBannon]

There was NO evidence presented at trial of who the body was, who killed the Iraqi, whether he was killed by Americans or not, coerced statements made under duress was testified to by several other Pendleton 8 members...Marsupial Justice

[RaceBannon]

Magincalda is freed for time served, Hutchins sentenced to Leavenworth.

[jude24]

The family is devastated. Sht Hutchins is reuced in rank to private, sentenced to 15 years Leavenworth, forfiture of all pay and allowances, and upon release is dishonorably discharged.

Justice was done.

Sgt. Hutchins was convicted by a jury of Iraq vets. Trust the Corps.

[RedRover]

The story in the LA Times: Marine sergeant gets 15 years in Iraqi's killing

CAMP PENDLETON -- The Marine sergeant accused of being the ringleader in a plot to kidnap and execute an Iraqi man last year was sentenced today to a dishonorable discharge and 15 years in prison.

The military jury's sentencing of Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins came just hours after a separate jury sentenced Cpl. Marshall Magincalda to demotion to private and to 448 days in prison in the same case.

More at the link.

[RaceBannon]

Magincalda is freed for time served, Hutchins sentenced to Leavenworth.

[RedRover]

Ping!

[RaceBannon]

you know nothing

We have been talkng to the family

The statements they held against Hutchins were coerced under duress

2 of his fellow Marines testified to just that

Evidence that they were following orders was destroyed and Lt Phan testified to that

Aerial UAV footage was denied to the defense

the body did not match the description given by the family whiuch was paid $25,000

So, you can take you JUSTICE SERVED comment and stick it.

[dirtboy]

Please, don’t ping everyone with every response.

[PGalt]

Thanks for the ping, Race.

[RaceBannon]

I didn’t

[lilycicero]

I will take aim in disappointment by certain ‘know it alls’ on this thread.
It is not a far reach for me to say I certainly feel for him, his wife and his child.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Not on that flimsy friggin evidence I won’t trust the Corp. Or the asshats in the government that pushed it.

[jazusamo]

Prayers for Sgt. Hutchins and his family.

[vox humana]

I have seen the enemy and it is us.

The PC JAGs are doing everything they can to demoralize our troops. War is hell. Bad things happen.

If these morons had been around during WWII, we would all be speaking either German or Japanese today.

[Girlene]

Very sad day for Sgt Hutchins, his wife, Reyna, and their child. From the North County Times Sergeant sentenced to 15 years for role in Hamdania killing

On learning his prison sentence, Hutchins sat down in his chair and put his head on the table in front of him. Sitting right behind him in the audience, his wife Reyna Hutchins put her head down to her knees. She sobbed throughout the rest of the short hearing, as the couple's 2-year-old daughter quietly sang to herself in a chair behind her mother.

At the end, as they were walking out, Hutchins put his arm around his wife, kissed her hard on the side of the face and whispered in her ear.

[Dr.Syn]

Is this what the government and Corps really mean when they say...Serve Your Country?

With friends like that....

[RedRover]

Ping.

[RedRover]

When’s the appeal? It’s not over.

[Las Vegas Ron]

"So, you can take you JUSTICE SERVED comment and stick it".

Bless you my dear FRiend

[dinasour]

Thanks Race.

Just Damn.

[UnklGene]

[FlingWingFlyer]

Aerial UAV footage was denied to the defense.

Yup! "Justice" was served. We definitely don't want the court to see anything that would prove that these scapegoats are innocent. Fat Jackass Murtha and his band of Commie 'RATS demanded blood. The "corps" was proud to be able to give it to them. Semper Fi my ass.

[Jacquerie]

In WWII we purposely and rightly bombed, firebombed and nuked civilian populations. Millions killed. The brave pilots and crews are still held in high esteem.

Fast forward over 60 years. We put our young Marines and soldiers in high pressure, near impossible urban combat situations for several years against non-uniformed combatants who blend in with the local population. One killed.

There is something really wrong here.

[mc5cents]

In WWII we purposely and rightly bombed, firebombed and nuked civilian populations. Millions killed. The brave pilots and crews are still held in high esteem.

Fast forward over 60 years. We put our young Marines and soldiers in high pressure, near impossible urban combat situations for several years against non-uniformed combatants who blend in with the local population. One killed.

There is something really wrong here.

Could not have said it better my friend. Exactly right on.

[lilycicero]

You naughty pinger.

[Paperdoll]

Prayers going up right now for Sgt. Hutchins and his family. I have no doubt but that the intent of this miscarriage of justice, along with that of the Haditha Eight, and Ramos and Compean, is to discourage young men and women from enlisting in the service of our country.

[ishabibble]

Well said.

I am so sorry for this young Marine and his family.

Forget “Justice Served” more like “It ain’t over yet”.

[Girlene]

Justice will be done when the whole story is clear, jude. The person who was killed is still an unknown Iraqi. There is a huge gap between an elerly crippled father and a known insurgent who was planting IED's [or paying others] to kill not only Marines, but Iraqis. The whole investigation was based on a family coming forward asking for compensation after initially claiming they didn't know who the body was. You would think they might have missed him at breakfast or something. I guess they had a revelation once the money aspect was made known to them.

The prosecution and NCIS knew early on they didn't know who they had when they did an autopsy. The examiners could find so signs of a disability in the body provided for that autopsy. That is kind of hard to do when a "family" member describes a metal rod that is implanted in a leg. Metal rods show up on x-rays, in physical examinations. They knew. Instead of trying to find the truth of what was going on, they pursued the charges, convictions, and pleas. You say justice was served? Justice for what Iraqi's family?

[jude24]

Justice for what Iraqi's family?

Does it matter? They planted an AK-47 on him.

[BuffaloJack]

The reason any of our military people are persecuted and imprisoned is the culture of liberalism and anit-Americanism started in the 60s by traitors like Hanoi Jane and John Kerry.

[RaceBannon]

Look, MORON, they NEVER planted an AK-47 on ANYONE!!

I have met the family of Sgt Hutchins, and am in daily contact with the family spokesperson and I know things that never made it to the media

We have constantly told people here that these Marines were being railroaded

So, smartass, take your comments elsewhere

[Jacquerie]

We ask them to do so much.

Despite all the early childhood, home, school and church lessons, they are required at times to look down the barrel of a weapon and kill another human.

We ask them to kill our enemies; those who given a chance would delight in ever-so-slowly slicing off your head and mine.

Our country placed these men in situations that I suspect would drive to literal insanity a significant percentage of the lawyers/pols who sent them to war in the first place. Those who sent their betters to do a dirty job that the public is not allowed to see, seek to destroy them when it is politically advantagous..

Hutchins should never have been brought up on charges. He should perhaps have been counseled. Maybe removed from the country if the unconsioucable pressure was understandably getting to him.

His trial was only slightly less political than the kangaroo prosecutor and court that nailed Scooter Libby. Hutchins deserves the pardon he will probably never get.

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

Does the family have their own web site? It would be an excellent way for them to set the record straight, since the media is clueless at best and anti-military at worst.

Political correctness will cause us to lose this war if it’s allowed to continue unabated......

[elc]

For those of us who have only followed bits and pieces here, can you direct us to the best site (or FR thread) that details everything?

I looked at the Pendleton 8 website, and not to critcize it, but it was a bit busy and I couldn’t find any detailed background information - their story, timeline, NCIS actions, etc.

[ishabibble]

It is war. Get the lawyers the hell out of the way.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=801_1186050790

[Girlene]

Yes, I think it matters. And I think the jury pool did have some of this in mind when they convicted him of UNpremeditated murder vs. PREmeditated murder. If the jury pool thought he planned to kill this insurgent who was killing innocents and it was wrong, they would have convicted him of PREmeditated murder. They did not. They somehow twisted the charges around because they did not think he deserved to spend the rest of his life in jail.

If the Pendleton 8 had killed the “prince of jihad”, I doubt it would have ever come to charges. Problem is, they don’t know who they killed. Hutchins was not in the “snatch” team if I recall correctly. So if the story is true, he didn’t know they weren’t killing the “prince”, maybe only the suspected insurgent “prince’s” cousin.

I don’t know what true justice is in this case. I think the jury pool probably did their best with what they were given. I’m not going to cry too many tears over an insurgent’s death in Iraq. I can only hope that more Marines and Iraqis lives were saved as a result of this action that cannot be taken back. That would be one positive to take from this whole mess.

Yes, I think it matters who it was.

[RaceBannon]

we are in the process of doing just that

[Shelayne]

I am just sick and in tears.

Exactly WHAT kind of war are we fighting, and how exactly do we expect to WIN, and WHO on EARTH is going to want to serve our country when THIS is what we do to our brave warriors??

Again, I am just sick. Many prayers to Sgt Hutchins and his family. He will always be Sergeant Hutchins to me—I REFUSE to strip him of that.

[elc]

Please ping me when it is complete. I’m very curious now.

[RaceBannon]

The families could not comment publically during the trials, and also, much information could not be revealed during the trial because it would possibly be illegal to reveal things during the case.

So, what information that was cleared through the lawyers was released and made public when we could.

Over numerous threads, I told Sgt Hutchin’s story that was NEVER printed in any media, regardless of how many letters we sent.

For the record here, too: I SPENT OVER AN HOUR WITH FOX NEWS DAVE ASMAN 3 MONTHS AGO IN HIS OFFICE IN NYC. HE WAS VERY INTERESTED, BUT EVERYONE OVER HIS HEAD NIXED ANY IDEA ON A STORY. Even FOX news refused to help air this.

[MarineMom613]

bookmark for follow up

[jude24]

I have yet to meet a family convinced their kid was actually guilty.

A jury of Marines convicted them. That jury of Iraq-hardened veterans must be respected.

And stop with the personal attacks.

[Lancey Howard]

Race:

I recommend ignoring jude24.

I have bumped into him on numerous threads over the past year or two, and he is apparently a young law student who believes that all judges are like Solomon, and the “Justice System” is essentially infallible. He will never acknowledge corruption or error in anything associated with any trial. It’s all perfect and “justice” is always done. For some reason I envision a wide-eyed and very naive bookworm type of a fellow who can’t wait to pass the bar and harumph his way into a real live courtroom. His suit will be perfect.

Semper fidelis,
LH
_________________________________________________

jude24:

Sorry if I got you all wrong but the above is my sincere impression and it is an impression that gets further cemented every time we cross paths on a law-related thread. I hope you will pursue your career with the understanding that evidence is often manufactured; that judges, prosecutors, and investigators are often corrupt and/or incompetent; and that juries are often selected by virtue of their stupidity and malleability (think “OJ”).

You will eventually understand that “justice” is merely the occasional, accidental byproduct of a process in which ruthless courtroom opponents, refereed by a judge who may or may not be competent and honest, do whatever they have to in order to WIN. Sooner or later you will be awakened from your starry-eyed naivete with a bucket of ice-water in the face. When that happens, I hope that it will make you a better lawyer and not a jaded and broken one.

Regards,
LH

[freema]

Ping

[RaceBannon]

You havent got a clue abot this case if all you do is read the papers, and we HAVE posted all these facts before, but I guess since the NCIS falsified testimony, refused to admit evidence that would clear people, and Marines who are now released from jail testify that they were coerced to give false statements they knew were false, you still want to believe it when they hang these Marines?

When I say families, I am not talking about opinions, I am taking about the individual Marines’ statements to their own lawyers, who are almost 100% former JAG who REFUSED to plea innocent and all immediately went for plea bagains...

You have willingly refused to read what was previously posted, and then post statements trying to qualifing their guilt despite this information, and you wonder why I think you are an idiot?

Everything you say concerning their guilt from now on is a personal attack against them.

So, knock it off.

[Wallace T.]

The families made a serious error in not contacting friendly media, that is, conservative talk shows and Web sites. As in the case of the proposed legislation for amnesty for illegal aliens and the Duke lacrosse players, keeping the issue alive by these means was the only means that the Republicrat/MSM monopoly can be bypassed. The military justice system, like the civilian system, can be abused by politically motivated prosecutors. Remember Nifong, Ronnie Earle, Fitzgerald, et. al. As with the Border Patrol agents, the Administration does not want to fight this war too vigorously. Sgt. Hutchin has been made an example, as were Ramos and Compean.

At one time, the military punished deserters harshly, e.g., Pvt. Eddie Slovik during World War II. In our time, the military punishes those who are too intense in their dedication to service.

[donna]

Your tagline:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

...is a Latin phrase from the Roman poet Juvenal, variously translated as “Who will guard the guards?”, “Who watches the watchmen?”, “Who shall watch the watchers themselves?”, or similar.

Pop Culture use:
“Who’s gonna investigate the man who investigates the man who investigates me” was the refrain of “The Investigator’s Song”, words and music by Harold Rome, written for performance by Zero Mostel at a 1947 Progressive Citizens of America meeting in Madison Square Garden, New York City, and kept alive through the anti-Communist investigations of the 1950s in a song collection popular with the progressive-liberal folksong culture in the U.S.A. The song’s final line: “One more problem puzzles me; Pardon my strange whim. But who’s gonna investigate the man who investigates the man who investigates... him?” (ref: The People’s Song Book, Waldemar Hille, ed., Boni & Gaer, 1948; reprinted annually by Oak Publications, 1959–1964.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

[RaceBannon]

Sound deduction, but NOT TRUE.

They, myself, and others have pleaded with all the talk radio stations to cover the story, but as soon as we started to present the corruption to Congressmen and NCIS agents, all the radio stations shut us down.

I have tried to get on Michael Savage many times and his call screener refused to take my call

I have some access to local talk shows here in Ct, but that only goes so far.

ALL the major media outlets ignored us, including FOX news.

[freema]

Come on, jude, let’s lay it on the table and get it over with.

An innocent Iraqi?

Or a man who would relish doing what he could

to tear Marines apart, limb from limb?

Tell it like it is, jude. It doesn’t matter to you.

[stylin19a]

uh-oh...now you’ll get him going about JAGs being the greatest thing since the appearance of Satan ...again !