Paul’s active service member donations get noticed (the Troops support Ron Paul)

The Hill ^ | August 3, 2007 | By Klaus Marre

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Shut up, Sign up, and Ship Out to Iraq, Big Talker. ~~ Say that to me, Big Boy. ;-)

I salute your service. Thank you for your sacrifices.

In return, please don't begrudge me the fact that the largest plurality of your comrades-in-arms are supporting Ron Paul.

[Darkwolf377]

They say these nasty things because they're cowards. Believe me, if these wet hens were to meet any of us in person, they'd be quaking with fear. They get so angry because we do not worship at the Altar of Ron Paul that they sling nasty, slanderous accusations. Trust me, anybody who would hurl the level of insults they do would be terrified to squawk that stuff in person. One sort of begets the other, if you catch my drift.

Of course. Like many who never served but are always shouting their "support" for the troops, this guy is trying to live vicariously through others--and since he feels like such a victim, who probably gets zero respect from anyone, he plays the wounded victim to the hilt.

I've never served, which I mention whenever these issues are brought up, but I respect the troops. That doesn't mean I play-act as if I DID serve. But the simple-minded think there's something to be ashamed of in not serving--there isn't. I'm simply not cut out to serve in that way. I'd also be a cruddy cop or firefighter--but you don't hear me telling OTHERS that they can't call the cops unless they have served on the force.

My point in bringing this up is that Ron Paul appeals to this kind of armchair warrior-type. They talk tough online, but they can only clip and paste opinions. Thus they have no personal experience in war, but they speak with the voice of authority because they bleat as if they did, as opposed to the brave men and women who DO have that experience.

They strike me as wannabes, kind of like record store employees who think that dressing up like rock stars make them rock stars. But the Paulie Parrots are all talk, and come off as the most desperate of wannabe hardguys. They don't seem to understand how pathetic they are, how ill-informed they are, how unable they are to have a political debate, and how silly they are to anyone who isn't controlled by childish emotion.

[Salo]

Ron Paul polls less than one percent in the Republican party. Tommy Thompson polls higher than Ron Paul. He will not win the nomination. Ron Paul has run for President once already and did not win a single precinct: Ron Paul did not even get one half of one percent of the popular vote when he ran for President. Ron Paul can not win. Ron Paul will not win.

The question is: do you get the point now?

Did you have a point to make?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

OK I see he supports Coast Guard and Port Security. Is that it? Does Paul think there IS a War on Terror? How would Paul respond to 9/11? To the next 9/11? Would he? Does he subscribe to the “don’t make ‘em mad” approach to foreign policy? Does he never ever see an “expeditionary” role for the US Military? How would Paul handle a scenario where American citizens, in the conduct of free trade throughout the world are attacked by (fill in the blank)? How would Paul respond to a situation where numerous Americans were taken hostage? Just asking you understand. You’ve obviously researched they guy. His statements on Iraq are similar to Democratic statements so I’d like to know how/if he differs with respect to foreign policy.

In short, Ron Paul supported the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force against the Taliban who attacked the World Trade Center.

Basically, Ron Paul believes in Christian Just War Theory -- the State has a duty to punish those who actually attack the Citizenry, and that's about it. The State should not do much else (the State should do as little as possible).

[John Farson]

I don't know anyone who worships Ron Paul. He is not a charismatic person. Far from being a cult of personality, Paul's ideas excite people.

It is a rare politician who pays respect to our nation's founding principles -- and is sincere about it. Unlike many Republicans who are all talk.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul supports the Troops...
AND THE TROOPS SUPPORT RON PAUL.

[Darkwolf377]

Shut up, Sign up, and Ship Out to Iraq, Big Talker.

I know I will regret this, but I'm going to try: Are you saying that no one who hasn't served has the right to support the use of troops?

[Darkwolf377]

Did you have a point to make?

Have you noticed how most of the posts on this thread are from the guy who started it?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

LOL! With a braintrust like all-hat, no-cattle you, no wonder Paulie is doing so well in the polls. I love how you people can yap, yap, yap, thinking watching Rambo movies means you know anything about anything, but you can't discuss ISSUES (or even take some ribbing). You call anyone who doesn't like your candidate--whose position will empower Al Qaeda infinitely--terrorist-supporters. Nobodies like you thank God for the internet--if you talked like that to someone's face you'd be on your good for nothing butt 24/7. You must be a real tough talker down at the 7-11, though. Keep it up, moron--your guy's going nowhere as long as loudmouthed no-minds like you are on his side.

Sign up for Iraq, Big Talker.

Shut Up, Sign Up, and Ship Out.

Otherwise, you're basically full of crap.

[John Farson]

You don’t know what the future holds. Unlikely does not mean impossible.

You’d best leave the fortune-telling to charlatans.

[Darkwolf377]

Sign up for Iraq, Big Talker. Shut Up, Sign Up, and Ship Out. Otherwise, you're basically full of crap.

Wow, that's amazing logic.

Thank you for your intelligent debate on the issues.

(I tried to post some polls showing Paul's position, but I couldn't find him on any of the major ones--he's polling at like 1%--i.e. the number of brain cells shared by all of his supporters on this thread.)

[John Farson]

Reagan was polling at 1-2% at this point in the race too. You keep insisting those polls mean anything significant at this point.

Paul needs name recognition — that is all.

[Chi-townChief]

Ron needs to run as a libertarian again.

[Allegra]

...is a Ron-Paul-Hater like yourself, right?

First of all, I have never said I hate Ron Paul. Never. I challenge you to find where I have. "Hate" is a strong word in my lexicon and I use it with discretion. So, please do not put words in my mouth.

Also, you accused Darkwolf377 of giving aid and support to the terrorists. That's pretty low, in my opinion. I've had Paul supporters sling horrid false accusations and slander at me as well. Once you start doing that, all bets are off.

By the way, this troops supporting Ron Paul stuff y'all have been spewing is derived from fuzzy math. And I personally do not know one single member of the armed forces who supports Ron Paul and I'd wager to say I have a pretty high exposure to military personnel.

I also don't know of any who are whining to go home. And I can't put in print on here what I hear frequently about the cut-and-runners or I'd be banned.

[rhombus]

In short, Ron Paul supported the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force against the Taliban who attacked the World Trade Center. Basically, Ron Paul believes in Christian Just War Theory -- the State has a duty to punish those who actually attack the Citizenry, and that's about it. The State should not do much else (the State should do as little as possible)

Well this answer disappoints me for a number of reasons. First it wasn't the Taliban that attacked us. It was Al-Qaeda which attacked the World Trade Center but was allowed to operate out of Afghanistan by the Taliban which was in charge of the Gov't. Thus, we pursued Al-Qaeda into Afghanistan, even though many of the Al-Qaeda members were originally Saudis. Likewise Al-Qaeda is now operating out of Iraq and we are pursuing them there as well as working to establish a Gov't so the locals can do the job themselves (yeah it's slow hard work). Second point: the "just war" is kind of fuzzy wuzzy to me. If war is only used as a punishment then it only makes sense for those who attack our citizenry to hide behind masks and vague organizations and disassociate themselves from specific countries. This is where Paul's foreign policy breaks down. If you don't know the country that a group comes from or if they are outside of specific countries (much like Pirates during the Founders time) where and how do you pursue them?

[Darkwolf377]

Reagan was polling at 1-2% at this point in the race too. You keep insisting those polls mean anything significant at this point. Paul needs name recognition — that is all.

How many times do you and I (if it has been you--apologies if I'm mistaking you for someone who talks like you) have to discuss this?

Reagan wasn't even a CANDIDATE at this point in the election.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Wow, that's amazing logic. Thank you for your intelligent debate on the issues. (I tried to post some polls showing Paul's position, but I couldn't find him on any of the major ones--he's polling at like 1%--i.e. the number of brain cells shared by all of his supporters on this thread.)

I'll happily debate you on the issues.

However, your very first Post on this Thread was a blatant "Appeal to Ridicule" Logical Fallacy:

Ron Paul - The Republicans who want to “retreat with dignity”
3 posted on 08/04/2007 3:52:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (PRO-FRED (Use all caps--it bugs the Fred-haters ;))

Since your very first post was dependent upon a Logical Fallacy for its argumentative impact, I judged you to be an Illogical Emotivist and have since treated you as such.

If you'd LIKE to actually DEBATE the issues, I am happy to do so.

Here are the facts:

The ruling Islamic Theocracy of Iraq (which defines Christianity as a Second-Class Religion) is dominated by the psychopathic gang of murderers known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Islamic Al Dawa Party, who are the very same Islamic Terrorist Parties which bombed the US & French Embassies in Kuwait, and murdered 241 United States Marines in Beirut in 1983. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Bureau Chief of the Al Dawa Party's terrorist "Jihad Office" in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait!

So, tell me -- WHY do you think that the US Federal Government should give Military and Financial support to these Terrorist Scumbags?

Please do explain.

[Lovebloggers]

Just how many “active duty” military donated to Ron Paul?

[Darkwolf377]

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich--what a team!

Paul: Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever.

Student: So I just wanted to say, you know, we’ve talked to Dennis Kucinich and he says that he’s willing to, you know, investigate it. He would advocate for a new investigation.

Paul: Into 9/11?

Student: Yeah, into 9/11. I mean, if it was Dennis Kucinich and you, there’d be congressional support. You know what I mean? So you wouldn’t be the only one.

Paul: It’d be bipartisan, too. And I’ve worked with Dennis a lot on a lot of these issues.

Ron Paul has appeared on this guy's show:

http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html

"In the Summer of 2000, Alex successfully infiltrated Bohemian Grove, meeting place for the global elite in an ancient redwood forest of northern California. This was documented by World of Wonder in their Secret Rulers of the World series, shown in the UK on Channel 4 and aired nationwide in the US multiple times on the Trio Network. Alex's documentary, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, features the infiltration plus the history of the Grove. Alex is known for not just talking the talk, but walking the walk. He combines his media presence with actual physical activism, a practice that once led to him being arrested on the personal order of George W. Bush!"

Sure sounds like Ron's kinda guy!

from the Malkin piece:

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I’m tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.

end quote--let me repeat for those who might have missed what our "Republican" candidate said:

"It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight."

Ron Paul--Truthy Fruit!

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

See my #36, and answer.